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> <channel><title>Comments on: Follow-up: because we need alternatives</title> <atom:link href="http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/</link> <description>A Guide to Classical Education at Home</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 01:59:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Sahamamama</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link> <dc:creator>Sahamamama</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:08:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-473</guid> <description>Hooray for an emphasis on the academic content knowledge of the teacher! Mastery of subject content does improve teaching outcomes. This is why it is vital to continually self-educate. Books and audio resources are good tools, but beginners often need big picture &quot;content maps,&quot; while those who have been plodding along for a time need encouragement and intellectual refreshment. Here&#039;s my wish list:1. Have you heard how some churches conduct two-day &quot;Bible Walk-Throughs&quot; to acquaint people with the broad, chronological sweep of biblical events? I would enjoy a mini-course with a similar approach to history -- a one- or two-day &quot;Walk Through World History.&quot; Yes, from start to finish, just touch on the major highlights. What could we gain from four, 90-minute sessions of speeding through history? Perhaps a framework for our further self-study,  a few pieces falling into place, and possibly much more. Now, I wonder who could teach THAT course?2. In my spare time, in addition to trying to grasp the story of history, I&#039;ve been self-teaching Latin and Math. It&#039;s painful. Even so, I&#039;m amazed at how well I retain what I&#039;ve studied. Contrary to the popular notion of forgetfulness increasing with age, I think I learn better (not faster) than I did when I was younger. Any work I do, in math especially, seems surprisingly fruitful. Recently, for the first time, I finally understood the WHY behind certain math processes. In school we learned HOW. But if I intend to teach math, even at the elementary level, I need to learn the WHY.I would pay good money (if I had it) to attend a half- to two-day workshop based on the presenter&#039;s thorough understanding and application of Liping Ma&#039;s KNOWING AND TEACHING ELEMENTARY MATHEMATICS. The review of this book by Roger Howe is an excellent introduction to this work on how teachers can develop &quot;a profound understanding of fundamental mathematics.&quot; Singapore Math has a well-regarded course for teachers of elementary mathematics (ELEMENTARY MATH FOR TEACHERS), based on the Parker &amp; Baldridge text of the same name. A workshop that would open up these texts and concepts for home educators would be welcome, and bear much fruit.3. Lastly, and I mean no offense to WTM by this, but I would be interested in learning how to teach the various branches of science synchronously, rather than sequentially, as WTM advocates. The WTM method (biology one year, followed by earth/space science the next, etc.) is one way of doing science education in the home setting. However, I would be interested in a workshop or panel discussion involving experienced, science-loving home educators who would describe for us how to teach Biology, Earth/Space, Physics, and Chemistry across ALL the upper grammar and middle school years [3rd through 8th], in a spiraling pattern of increasing complexity and abstract content. Any information/instruction on how to synchronize/integrate the sciences would be appreciated here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray for an emphasis on the academic content knowledge of the teacher! Mastery of subject content does improve teaching outcomes. This is why it is vital to continually self-educate. Books and audio resources are good tools, but beginners often need big picture &#8220;content maps,&#8221; while those who have been plodding along for a time need encouragement and intellectual refreshment. Here&#8217;s my wish list:</p><p>1. Have you heard how some churches conduct two-day &#8220;Bible Walk-Throughs&#8221; to acquaint people with the broad, chronological sweep of biblical events? I would enjoy a mini-course with a similar approach to history &#8212; a one- or two-day &#8220;Walk Through World History.&#8221; Yes, from start to finish, just touch on the major highlights. What could we gain from four, 90-minute sessions of speeding through history? Perhaps a framework for our further self-study,  a few pieces falling into place, and possibly much more. Now, I wonder who could teach THAT course?</p><p>2. In my spare time, in addition to trying to grasp the story of history, I&#8217;ve been self-teaching Latin and Math. It&#8217;s painful. Even so, I&#8217;m amazed at how well I retain what I&#8217;ve studied. Contrary to the popular notion of forgetfulness increasing with age, I think I learn better (not faster) than I did when I was younger. Any work I do, in math especially, seems surprisingly fruitful. Recently, for the first time, I finally understood the WHY behind certain math processes. In school we learned HOW. But if I intend to teach math, even at the elementary level, I need to learn the WHY.</p><p>I would pay good money (if I had it) to attend a half- to two-day workshop based on the presenter&#8217;s thorough understanding and application of Liping Ma&#8217;s KNOWING AND TEACHING ELEMENTARY MATHEMATICS. The review of this book by Roger Howe is an excellent introduction to this work on how teachers can develop &#8220;a profound understanding of fundamental mathematics.&#8221; Singapore Math has a well-regarded course for teachers of elementary mathematics (ELEMENTARY MATH FOR TEACHERS), based on the Parker &amp; Baldridge text of the same name. A workshop that would open up these texts and concepts for home educators would be welcome, and bear much fruit.</p><p>3. Lastly, and I mean no offense to WTM by this, but I would be interested in learning how to teach the various branches of science synchronously, rather than sequentially, as WTM advocates. The WTM method (biology one year, followed by earth/space science the next, etc.) is one way of doing science education in the home setting. However, I would be interested in a workshop or panel discussion involving experienced, science-loving home educators who would describe for us how to teach Biology, Earth/Space, Physics, and Chemistry across ALL the upper grammar and middle school years [3rd through 8th], in a spiraling pattern of increasing complexity and abstract content. Any information/instruction on how to synchronize/integrate the sciences would be appreciated here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Colleen in NS</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link> <dc:creator>Colleen in NS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:22:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-241</guid> <description>Sebastian, I liked reading your blog entry about the mini-conference, and your ideas for the future.I wonder if anyone else has any idea how/where you would find speakers/presenters for academic workshops.  I&#039;m sure there will be some bigger companies/groups who will do podcasts, but what about these smaller, local events?  Even if it&#039;s just a few families?  I do like the idea and would love to hear how others have found and evaluated speakers.  And how panel discussions are conducted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian, I liked reading your blog entry about the mini-conference, and your ideas for the future.</p><p>I wonder if anyone else has any idea how/where you would find speakers/presenters for academic workshops.  I&#8217;m sure there will be some bigger companies/groups who will do podcasts, but what about these smaller, local events?  Even if it&#8217;s just a few families?  I do like the idea and would love to hear how others have found and evaluated speakers.  And how panel discussions are conducted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jenne in AZ</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link> <dc:creator>Jenne in AZ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-240</guid> <description>What I would love to see most is a SECULAR HIGH SCHOOL level curriculum work shop.  I can find elementary and some middle school.  I can find religious.  I have a horrible time finding higher level homeschool friendly curriculum.  Any subject would be great.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would love to see most is a SECULAR HIGH SCHOOL level curriculum work shop.  I can find elementary and some middle school.  I can find religious.  I have a horrible time finding higher level homeschool friendly curriculum.  Any subject would be great.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TerriKY</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link> <dc:creator>TerriKY</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:38:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-239</guid> <description>I&#039;d personally love a panel discussion with classical homeshool writing curriculums ranging all the way from Pudewa to Jaqua/Gustilo.  Then they each could give a seminar on their study of classical writing pedagogy.  Or how about a whole convention on just teaching writing classically!!   Yeah!  I&#039;m really diggin&#039; that!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d personally love a panel discussion with classical homeshool writing curriculums ranging all the way from Pudewa to Jaqua/Gustilo.  Then they each could give a seminar on their study of classical writing pedagogy.  Or how about a whole convention on just teaching writing classically!!   Yeah!  I&#8217;m really diggin&#8217; that!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ksva</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link> <dc:creator>ksva</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-238</guid> <description>A few quick thoughts.  Now that our own dc are getting older (youngest is about to turn 17yo), I find I&#039;ve forgotten a lot of the things I did when they were younger which worked/didn&#039;t work.  That&#039;s one reason I often just turn to the kids themselves and just ask THEM how they (or I) did this or that thing; or what worked or didn&#039;t work; etc.  Something to think about when considering the potential panelists (or whatever) .... a mother who&#039;s in the throes of teaching a preschooler how to read may actually be more useful to younger hs&#039;ers than an older hs&#039;ing mom.  Possibly ....Another thing to consider is qualifications.  Many hs&#039;ers seem to want &#039;proof&#039;&#039; (our own customized hs substitution for the &#039;expert&#039;) in the form of test scores, college entrance scores, etc., before putting too much stock in what a longtime hs&#039;ing parent (myself, for example, whose dc have almost zilch of such things) has to say about teaching.And dc are standing here glaring at me with their &#039;It&#039;s past time to go&#039;  look, so gotta run.
Kathy</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few quick thoughts.  Now that our own dc are getting older (youngest is about to turn 17yo), I find I&#8217;ve forgotten a lot of the things I did when they were younger which worked/didn&#8217;t work.  That&#8217;s one reason I often just turn to the kids themselves and just ask THEM how they (or I) did this or that thing; or what worked or didn&#8217;t work; etc.  Something to think about when considering the potential panelists (or whatever) &#8230;. a mother who&#8217;s in the throes of teaching a preschooler how to read may actually be more useful to younger hs&#8217;ers than an older hs&#8217;ing mom.  Possibly &#8230;.</p><p>Another thing to consider is qualifications.  Many hs&#8217;ers seem to want &#8216;proof&#8221; (our own customized hs substitution for the &#8216;expert&#8217;) in the form of test scores, college entrance scores, etc., before putting too much stock in what a longtime hs&#8217;ing parent (myself, for example, whose dc have almost zilch of such things) has to say about teaching.</p><p>And dc are standing here glaring at me with their &#8216;It&#8217;s past time to go&#8217;  look, so gotta run.<br
/> Kathy</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Krissi</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link> <dc:creator>Krissi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-237</guid> <description>While business is important, if a business fails to meet the needs, those who are running the &quot;business&quot; (i.e. big homeschool convention) need to reorganize and reprioritize. Those with new and creative ideas can add to the mix with their ideas, whether it fits in the box of big &quot;business&quot; or not. In other words, if big convention fails, it is not the fault of innovative, creative thinkers who dare to think outside the box.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While business is important, if a business fails to meet the needs, those who are running the &#8220;business&#8221; (i.e. big homeschool convention) need to reorganize and reprioritize. Those with new and creative ideas can add to the mix with their ideas, whether it fits in the box of big &#8220;business&#8221; or not. In other words, if big convention fails, it is not the fault of innovative, creative thinkers who dare to think outside the box.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sebastian (a lady)</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link> <dc:creator>Sebastian (a lady)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:15:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-236</guid> <description>I wrote up some info about the mini curriculum fair that our homeschool group held last year.  Maybe it can be a jumping off point for others to use for academically focused days of sharing.  http://blakeney-academy.blogspot.com/2010/01/homeschool-mini-conference.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote up some info about the mini curriculum fair that our homeschool group held last year.  Maybe it can be a jumping off point for others to use for academically focused days of sharing. <a
href="http://blakeney-academy.blogspot.com/2010/01/homeschool-mini-conference.html" rel="nofollow">http://blakeney-academy.blogspot.com/2010/01/homeschool-mini-conference.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Janet D</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link> <dc:creator>Janet D</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:56:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-235</guid> <description>Hmmmm, it seems that we are all excited about the prospect of more support &amp; networking for academically-minded hsers (I wish I could find a better term than that), but geography, time and money are formidable obstacles. Podcasts/online videos are great ideas, but again, time and know-how are in short supply. We could press for state conventions to offer more academic instructional tracks, but to go that route means all of us would have to work through each of our different state conventions to upgrade the offerings. This seems really inefficient, given that we&#039;re talking about a smaller segment of the hsing market to begin with. Trying to connect with each other in meaningful, informative ways is not easy is it? Even in this high-tech day and age.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, it seems that we are all excited about the prospect of more support &amp; networking for academically-minded hsers (I wish I could find a better term than that), but geography, time and money are formidable obstacles. Podcasts/online videos are great ideas, but again, time and know-how are in short supply. We could press for state conventions to offer more academic instructional tracks, but to go that route means all of us would have to work through each of our different state conventions to upgrade the offerings. This seems really inefficient, given that we&#8217;re talking about a smaller segment of the hsing market to begin with. Trying to connect with each other in meaningful, informative ways is not easy is it? Even in this high-tech day and age.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Strawberry Queen</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link> <dc:creator>Strawberry Queen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:40:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-234</guid> <description>I have to agree that it would be great to have an academic conference. Somewhat along the lines that Colleen in NS talked about. People to give you a global view of where a subject begins and where it ends in the school years. What the logical progression is for the acquisition of skills and training for the end goal.I really appreciate listening to the mp3&#039;s that PHP offers. They helped me to see a somewhat fleshed out plan of what is in the WTM. I would love to be able to do it in person but geography kind of gets in the way sometimes. (who decided to immigrate to freezing cold Alberta anyway??? Oh yeah, my parents.....)I think the idea of podcasts and such are good but it leaves most of us off the hook for actually doing anything. I don&#039;t have the first clue in how to organize a podcast and my kids aren&#039;t old enough to do it for me:-) However, getting together some knowledgeable people might be within my skill set if I put my mind to it. The problem I have is similar to others. Do I have a big enough audience to merit the time and effort? At present I don&#039;t have a large network of hs friends because it takes time to build those relationships.  And there&#039;s the rub. It takes time. It takes time to network, time to plan, time to attend.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that it would be great to have an academic conference. Somewhat along the lines that Colleen in NS talked about. People to give you a global view of where a subject begins and where it ends in the school years. What the logical progression is for the acquisition of skills and training for the end goal.</p><p>I really appreciate listening to the mp3&#8242;s that PHP offers. They helped me to see a somewhat fleshed out plan of what is in the WTM. I would love to be able to do it in person but geography kind of gets in the way sometimes. (who decided to immigrate to freezing cold Alberta anyway??? Oh yeah, my parents&#8230;..)</p><p>I think the idea of podcasts and such are good but it leaves most of us off the hook for actually doing anything. I don&#8217;t have the first clue in how to organize a podcast and my kids aren&#8217;t old enough to do it for me:-) However, getting together some knowledgeable people might be within my skill set if I put my mind to it. The problem I have is similar to others. Do I have a big enough audience to merit the time and effort? At present I don&#8217;t have a large network of hs friends because it takes time to build those relationships.  And there&#8217;s the rub. It takes time. It takes time to network, time to plan, time to attend.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LV</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/reflections-on-education/follow-up-because-we-need-alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link> <dc:creator>LV</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:50:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2083#comment-230</guid> <description>I think the podcast idea is a wonderful one and I see that HSLDA is starting some podcast type events that they even charge for, BUT (caps on purpose!) it takes a huge amount of time and money to start something like that....which takes us back to where we started b/c only an organization or company that has enough capital (and would see a return on said capital) would likely be willing to start one. If I had five more hours in my day, I&#039;d use my years of marketing and comms experience to start it...but then I&#039;d have to put my kids in school ;-)Any ambitious tech-oriented high schoolers out there who want to start a business?I think someone (who?) could:
Start a Web site that serves as a jumping-off point for &#039;mini-conferences&#039;, online seminars, whatever you want to call it that serves as some sort of database and clearinghouse for good info on: potential speakers, those who want to speak (the poetry woman above - e-mail some handouts and get a Web cam!), interested parties who want to put together an in-person seminar on X topic in Y city, etc. Making it clear that these are to be academic in nature.
Just do it - get one seminar up and running. Or use something that PHP has videotaped in the past, just to make it easy. Charge something reasonable ($5?) to view it and test the market and get a good marketing list going, then host a live online discussion afterward.Oh...but if we all had the time to implement all of our wonderful ideas! But I am now more inspired to look for more academic-focused speakers and keep my ears open for opportunities. As a first-year homeschooler, I thought the perception that a lot of these things are fluffy and not useful was mine alone and am happy to see it&#039;s not just me!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the podcast idea is a wonderful one and I see that HSLDA is starting some podcast type events that they even charge for, BUT (caps on purpose!) it takes a huge amount of time and money to start something like that&#8230;.which takes us back to where we started b/c only an organization or company that has enough capital (and would see a return on said capital) would likely be willing to start one. If I had five more hours in my day, I&#8217;d use my years of marketing and comms experience to start it&#8230;but then I&#8217;d have to put my kids in school ;-)</p><p>Any ambitious tech-oriented high schoolers out there who want to start a business?</p><p>I think someone (who?) could:<br
/> Start a Web site that serves as a jumping-off point for &#8216;mini-conferences&#8217;, online seminars, whatever you want to call it that serves as some sort of database and clearinghouse for good info on: potential speakers, those who want to speak (the poetry woman above &#8211; e-mail some handouts and get a Web cam!), interested parties who want to put together an in-person seminar on X topic in Y city, etc. Making it clear that these are to be academic in nature.<br
/> Just do it &#8211; get one seminar up and running. Or use something that PHP has videotaped in the past, just to make it easy. Charge something reasonable ($5?) to view it and test the market and get a good marketing list going, then host a live online discussion afterward.</p><p>Oh&#8230;but if we all had the time to implement all of our wonderful ideas! But I am now more inspired to look for more academic-focused speakers and keep my ears open for opportunities. As a first-year homeschooler, I thought the perception that a lot of these things are fluffy and not useful was mine alone and am happy to see it&#8217;s not just me!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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