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> <channel><title>Comments on: Using online courses: an initial attempt at a checklist.</title> <atom:link href="http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/</link> <description>A Guide to Classical Education at Home</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 01:59:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Ellen</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link> <dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-366</guid> <description>I&#039;ve investigated Pennsylvania Homeschoolers&#039; (if that&#039;s the correct name) AP offerings, and they look impressive. (It will be a few years before we go down that road, since my eldest is only 10. What can I say? I&#039;m a planner.) The website helpfully includes reviews written by the students themselves. Some are, of course, better written than others. . . . Still, it&#039;s good to read what the students themselves think about the course they took.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve investigated Pennsylvania Homeschoolers&#8217; (if that&#8217;s the correct name) AP offerings, and they look impressive. (It will be a few years before we go down that road, since my eldest is only 10. What can I say? I&#8217;m a planner.) The website helpfully includes reviews written by the students themselves. Some are, of course, better written than others. . . . Still, it&#8217;s good to read what the students themselves think about the course they took.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Judy L.</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link> <dc:creator>Judy L.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-349</guid> <description>I have always been very hesitant to subscribe to any sort of online education.  But fortunately for us, the journey of WTM has led us to great resources that have helped along the way.  We have always used Memoria Press&#039; latin.  And when I saw their on-line academy for logic, I jumped.  I guess the only reason I considered it was that their curriculum already stood for the same standards that we did.  My 7th grade daughter took the online intro to logic course.  Since she lost me in chapter 2, I became a huge fan of the online academy!  The teacher was live, the class setting realistic, and the expectations clear and very easy to see.  She cried her way through some of the assignments, but it was so good for her I cannot tell you! I never could have drug her through the text on my own.  She has since completed the second Formal Logic course through Memoria press with the same teacher she had before.  She feels she knows him, his personality, his expectations, just like any other teacher.I think it has been overall positive because it is such a small online academy that has a focused curriculum.  I even put my reluctant 5th grader in the Latin online class after struggling forever with her.  It has been so great for her.  She even has the same teacher that her older sister has for logic.I plan on using them for rhetoric and continuing with Latin for the other two daughters.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been very hesitant to subscribe to any sort of online education.  But fortunately for us, the journey of WTM has led us to great resources that have helped along the way.  We have always used Memoria Press&#8217; latin.  And when I saw their on-line academy for logic, I jumped.  I guess the only reason I considered it was that their curriculum already stood for the same standards that we did.  My 7th grade daughter took the online intro to logic course.  Since she lost me in chapter 2, I became a huge fan of the online academy!  The teacher was live, the class setting realistic, and the expectations clear and very easy to see.  She cried her way through some of the assignments, but it was so good for her I cannot tell you! I never could have drug her through the text on my own.  She has since completed the second Formal Logic course through Memoria press with the same teacher she had before.  She feels she knows him, his personality, his expectations, just like any other teacher.</p><p>I think it has been overall positive because it is such a small online academy that has a focused curriculum.  I even put my reluctant 5th grader in the Latin online class after struggling forever with her.  It has been so great for her.  She even has the same teacher that her older sister has for logic.</p><p>I plan on using them for rhetoric and continuing with Latin for the other two daughters.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Airlie</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link> <dc:creator>Airlie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-294</guid> <description>No it&#039;s not BYU.  I won&#039;t name names because I want to keep getting rehired.IMHO it&#039;s about standards and whether the college is truly &quot;watching&quot; the online portion of their programs.  My college is relatively picky about both classroom and online classes, and it&#039;s very common to have administrators &quot;sitting in&quot; on both classroom and online classes and there are checklists and standards for both types of instruction.  Every college has a few bad professors, but I like to think that the majority of the classes where I work are pretty good -- both online and in the classroom.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not BYU.  I won&#8217;t name names because I want to keep getting rehired.</p><p>IMHO it&#8217;s about standards and whether the college is truly &#8220;watching&#8221; the online portion of their programs.  My college is relatively picky about both classroom and online classes, and it&#8217;s very common to have administrators &#8220;sitting in&#8221; on both classroom and online classes and there are checklists and standards for both types of instruction.  Every college has a few bad professors, but I like to think that the majority of the classes where I work are pretty good &#8212; both online and in the classroom.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anne</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link> <dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:19:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-285</guid> <description>There can also be problems with favortism and subjective grading in these online tutorials, especially those run by only one tutor with a narrow religious perspective.My child did a great books program and the tutor wanted more participation from him.  I specifically asked how many times per class they needed to participate to meet his standards, but could not get an answer, probably because that would mean my child would have an actual standard that he could meet and it would no longer be so subjective.  I would sit in on these classes, and unfortunately, it didn&#039;t seem to matter how many times you &quot;raised your hand&quot; (electronically) in class, he had his favorites he would call on, and if you weren&#039;t a favorite, you were just out of luck.  So much for the &#039;warning&#039; to participate more.Unfortunately for my son, no matter how much he tried to increase his participation level this tutor just wasn&#039;t going to call on him enough to allow him to stay in class.  It&#039;s a catch-22 for the student.  You have to participate so many times per class (not sure how many), but if the tutor won&#039;t call on you he can drop you for lack of participation.  So, my son was dropped in the second year of this program.  I know he wasn&#039;t the best student, but he had good papers and he tried to participate.  Oh, and another fyi - I don&#039;t think I would choose such a theologically reformed/conservative program again, since religion did seem to influence the tutor&#039;s choice of favorites.My son is still in high school and getting straight A&#039;s at the local community college.  It&#039;s much less stressful to have expectations clearly written out and know what&#039;s expected.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There can also be problems with favortism and subjective grading in these online tutorials, especially those run by only one tutor with a narrow religious perspective.</p><p>My child did a great books program and the tutor wanted more participation from him.  I specifically asked how many times per class they needed to participate to meet his standards, but could not get an answer, probably because that would mean my child would have an actual standard that he could meet and it would no longer be so subjective.  I would sit in on these classes, and unfortunately, it didn&#8217;t seem to matter how many times you &#8220;raised your hand&#8221; (electronically) in class, he had his favorites he would call on, and if you weren&#8217;t a favorite, you were just out of luck.  So much for the &#8216;warning&#8217; to participate more.</p><p>Unfortunately for my son, no matter how much he tried to increase his participation level this tutor just wasn&#8217;t going to call on him enough to allow him to stay in class.  It&#8217;s a catch-22 for the student.  You have to participate so many times per class (not sure how many), but if the tutor won&#8217;t call on you he can drop you for lack of participation.  So, my son was dropped in the second year of this program.  I know he wasn&#8217;t the best student, but he had good papers and he tried to participate.  Oh, and another fyi &#8211; I don&#8217;t think I would choose such a theologically reformed/conservative program again, since religion did seem to influence the tutor&#8217;s choice of favorites.</p><p>My son is still in high school and getting straight A&#8217;s at the local community college.  It&#8217;s much less stressful to have expectations clearly written out and know what&#8217;s expected.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Maureen in CA</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link> <dc:creator>Maureen in CA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:46:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-284</guid> <description>Airlie,Are you willing to name names?  I know my sister had her oldest do a couple of online courses through BYU&#039;s online program.  One she said was really good and the other was so-so.   I wonder if there is really a place out there that is consistently good or if we&#039;re doomed to have a hit and miss experience online.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Airlie,</p><p>Are you willing to name names?  I know my sister had her oldest do a couple of online courses through BYU&#8217;s online program.  One she said was really good and the other was so-so.   I wonder if there is really a place out there that is consistently good or if we&#8217;re doomed to have a hit and miss experience online.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Catherine</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link> <dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:22:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-281</guid> <description>I&#039;d ad that it&#039;s a good idea to find out what recourse is available if the tutor turns out to be terrible.  This happened to us, with Algebra, so it was a course that was important and we wanted to finish within the pre-determined time period.  In the end, I taught it, and it was fine.  My child finished within the time we had paid for, and I gained the confidence to teach it the next time around.  The tutor got the last word though.  She determined his grade: a B (not B+) for a 89.99 average.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d ad that it&#8217;s a good idea to find out what recourse is available if the tutor turns out to be terrible.  This happened to us, with Algebra, so it was a course that was important and we wanted to finish within the pre-determined time period.  In the end, I taught it, and it was fine.  My child finished within the time we had paid for, and I gained the confidence to teach it the next time around.  The tutor got the last word though.  She determined his grade: a B (not B+) for a 89.99 average.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Airlie</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-280</link> <dc:creator>Airlie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-280</guid> <description>Online education is still a pretty new thing, and thus there are wide variations in the quality both in K-12 and higher education.  I&#039;m a part-time professor who sometimes teaches online, and I had to take two semesters of graded coursework on both the technical and teaching parts of that before I was set loose on actual online students.  I can tell you that teaching in a classroom and teaching online are two different (but related skill sets), just as teaching in a classroom and homeschooling are two different (but related skills sets).  Good organizations and some of the individuals involved teaching online have considered how to do this well and have measures in place to ensure that it happens, others do not.I took an online course several summers ago from a highly-rated organization and a highly-rated professor that was one of the worst classes I ever took.  It was a classroom course crudely converted to &quot;fit&quot; online -- literally &quot;read these pages and take this multiple choice test&quot; for almost all of the chapters.  There were a few small projects, but not enough to learn the material (which involved an area of web programming).  Then something happened with the professor around mid-terms, and none of the assignments I did after that were ever graded and she stopped responding to email.  I contacted the college multiple times, and they assured me that she would catch up and that her Dean was aware of the situation.In contrast, I&#039;m taking a class semester from a former boss who has extensively studied online learning and wrote the online standards for my college, and it&#039;s challenging and very appropriate.  She knows just how to keep us involved in the class and with the material, and I am learning so much.  One time she actually told me that she thinks she&#039;s BETTER online than in the classroom, which also shows that it&#039;s a different type of teaching.There are differences!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online education is still a pretty new thing, and thus there are wide variations in the quality both in K-12 and higher education.  I&#8217;m a part-time professor who sometimes teaches online, and I had to take two semesters of graded coursework on both the technical and teaching parts of that before I was set loose on actual online students.  I can tell you that teaching in a classroom and teaching online are two different (but related skill sets), just as teaching in a classroom and homeschooling are two different (but related skills sets).  Good organizations and some of the individuals involved teaching online have considered how to do this well and have measures in place to ensure that it happens, others do not.</p><p>I took an online course several summers ago from a highly-rated organization and a highly-rated professor that was one of the worst classes I ever took.  It was a classroom course crudely converted to &#8220;fit&#8221; online &#8212; literally &#8220;read these pages and take this multiple choice test&#8221; for almost all of the chapters.  There were a few small projects, but not enough to learn the material (which involved an area of web programming).  Then something happened with the professor around mid-terms, and none of the assignments I did after that were ever graded and she stopped responding to email.  I contacted the college multiple times, and they assured me that she would catch up and that her Dean was aware of the situation.</p><p>In contrast, I&#8217;m taking a class semester from a former boss who has extensively studied online learning and wrote the online standards for my college, and it&#8217;s challenging and very appropriate.  She knows just how to keep us involved in the class and with the material, and I am learning so much.  One time she actually told me that she thinks she&#8217;s BETTER online than in the classroom, which also shows that it&#8217;s a different type of teaching.</p><p>There are differences!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-278</link> <dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-278</guid> <description>Off topic: but I hope in one of your next posts we get to hear about gap year projects,
as you mention your son&#039;s first stop in your tweets and I&#039;d really love to hear more.  My husband&#039;s family are all British/Scots and all have taken gap years.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic: but I hope in one of your next posts we get to hear about gap year projects,<br
/> as you mention your son&#8217;s first stop in your tweets and I&#8217;d really love to hear more.  My husband&#8217;s family are all British/Scots and all have taken gap years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: missmoe</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link> <dc:creator>missmoe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-275</guid> <description>Public libraries have at least one person on staff that is qualified to proctor tests for online courses.   At least this has been the case in the last three places I have lived.  Of course their service is free.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public libraries have at least one person on staff that is qualified to proctor tests for online courses.   At least this has been the case in the last three places I have lived.  Of course their service is free.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris in VA</title><link>http://www.welltrainedmind.com/httpwww-susanwisebauer-comblog/high-school-students-at-home/using-online-courses-an-initial-attempt-at-a-checklist/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link> <dc:creator>Chris in VA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/?p=2098#comment-274</guid> <description>Umm...perhaps a silly question, but what is the difference btw a class and a tutorial?
Thanks!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;perhaps a silly question, but what is the difference btw a class and a tutorial?<br
/> Thanks!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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