Why, why why? Did I not know about all the Wheelock's books until this year?

[JennifersLost]

Argh.

It's all there. All of it. Book. Workbook. A guide that fills in all the blanks. Premade flashcards, even. Online games to test the kids.

Everything. All. Right. There.

I just want to cry. Why, oh why did I pick the wrong Latin program two years ago? Can I get those years back?

[Beth in Central TX]

If it's any consolation, I feel the same way you do right now except I've had the whole program sitting on my shelf for a year. I let the idea of a college text intimidate me at the last minute when we started this school year; however, I'm now determined to start my oldest with Wheelock's in July. Better late than never, right??

Have you seen the comprehensive guide? (http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Guide-Wheelocks-Latin-Revised/dp/086516486X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240514810&sr=1-4) I also have the pronunciation cds which I think are valuable in any Latin program, but that's my personal preference.

{mental note to self: "I will not buy another Latin program, I will not buy another Latin program..."}

[annabanana1992]

Where is all of this cool Wheelocks stuff?

[Okie]

we use Latin Alive, and for the most part it's good. BUT, the tm is terrible. Lots of exercises don't have any answers, and for a mom who doesn't know Latin, I need it all spelled out for me. Wonder if I could do next year (Latin 2) with Wheelock?

[JennifersLost]

If you look up Wheelock's on Amazon you'll find links to all the additional books.

My "Comprehensive Guide" just came today, which is what made me post this: it was the part I've needed all along.

Remember the Latin workbook I made and sent out to a bunch of people on this board? Lots of people felt it was way too much writing, among other issues. I don't blame them. It had a lot of flaws, BUT....

Each of my boys used it and at the end of it could do every bit of the Latin it taught. They knew it forward and backward and upside down because I had so many exercises for them to do. They didn't have to memorize anything - by using it so much they "knew" it.

We have yet to find another program that provides that much practice. Someday I should go back and re-vamp that thing.

[Beth in Central TX]

we use Latin Alive, and for the most part it's good. BUT, the tm is terrible. Lots of exercises don't have any answers, and for a mom who doesn't know Latin, I need it all spelled out for me. Wonder if I could do next year (Latin 2) with Wheelock?

This is my complaint with the Latin Alive! program too. I think it will be a great program one day, but I need something now.

I now feel more confident with Wheelock's, the workbook, and the comprehensive guide than I do with Latin Alive! and all of the errors I encountered this year.

HTH!

[Alphabetika]

JennifersLost,

Have hope! You can get those two years back! I used the wrong program with my dd for 2 years, and then she started taking an online Latin class that uses Wheelock's. She is similarly smitten. She told me she learned more in the first 2 weeks of Wheelock's than she did the whole time we used the other program. Now, much of this is my fault - I had no Latin background and certainly wasn't a competent teacher. But I just want to encourage you! All is not lost!:001_smile:

[Okie]

which item has the answers? tests and quizzes? this sounds interesting...

[Beth in Central TX]

You can get the answers to the textbook and workbook directly from the publisher. Tell them you are homeschooling, and they will give you a website link & password. You just download them to your computer.

The Comprehensive Guide has a few exercises, but the answers are in the back of the book. This is really just a supplement for me as I learn and teach.

If you use 38 Latin Stories, the teacher manual is separate, but I was able to find a copy on Amazon.

HTH!

[Beth in Central TX]

I forgot to add that there's a Mother of Divine Grace (MODG) lesson plan for Wheelock's that has test & quizzes with answers. I found mine at allcatholicbooks.com. I'll try to link it here: http://www.acbooks.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ACB&Product_Code=MG25x6p

It has an accelerated schedule because it written for 11th grade. In my planning I will slow down the pace, but still use the tests & quizzes.

I told you I had the whole program...sometimes I just think too much!

[Okie]

thanks, ladies! I'll look into all that for fall.

[JennifersLost]

Where do I go to get the workbook answers? Since the answers to the textbook are right in the textbook, I assumed the workbook answers were at the back of the book, too. I couldn't find a place to get the answers on the Wheelock's site.

[latinteach]

Where is all of this cool Wheelocks stuff?

A good place to start is http://www.wheelockslatin.com

In particular, see:

http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction.html
Audio pronunciation downloads excerpted from the audio CD set to accompany Wheelock's Latin.

http://www.wheelockslatin.com/wheelockslinks.htm
Online study aids, pronunciation files, game links, study groups, links to online courses using Wheelocks, etc.

http://www.wheelockslatin.com/lafleur.htm
The editor answers questions regarding pacing.

[Beth in Central TX]

I use to have a website link, but I can't find it. I did find an e-mail address that might be able to help you: wheelocks@harpercollins.com

[Sumiller]

Another resource is this site. . .

http://www.classicsprofessor.com/Wheelock_Files.html

This is the same guy who wrote A Comprehensive Guide to Wheelock. It has lectures and study aids. Check it out.

[Nicole M]

Stop it! Stop right now! I was just about to order Latin for the New Millennium!

I need a paper bag. I feel faint.

[Michelle in MO]

I'm doing an online course (http://www.georgiacenter.uga.edu/idl/courses/offerings/latin/index.phtml) for college credit with Wheelock's now, and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. It's taught by Professor Richard LaFleur, who is the editor of Wheelock's and also the author of the Workbook for Wheelock's Latin and numerous other helps for Wheelock's. I'm no Latin expert, but his understanding of both Latin and English grammar is profound, and whenever I have a question regarding translations or grammar, I usually hear back from him via e-mail within a day or two.

For my purposes, which is to eventually become certified to teach Latin at the high school level, I have found that doing all of the exercises for each chapter, both in Wheelock's, and in the Workbook for Wheelock's Latin, and also some additional online resources, such as this one (http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/tchmat.html), have been invaluable, especially for someone like me, whose memory is not as nimble as it once was!

[MamaT]

We have used and loved Wheelocks for many years. It is great!

Go to this site for lots of information:

www.wheelocklockslatin.com

[latinteach]

Stop it! Stop right now! I was just about to order Latin for the New Millennium!

I need a paper bag. I feel faint.

Latin for the New Millennium is a fantastic program too!

[MamaT]

If you send an email to wheelocks@harpercollins.com and tell them you are a homeschooling parent they will send you a password for the answer key to the workbook. The information for this is at harperacademics.com.

[SkiMom]

I'm a Latin novice and still floundering around with Lively Latin and Latina Christiana...but I am curious about Wheelock's for the future. What makes Wheelock's so good? I noticed that Veritas Press recommends Wheelocks. And why is it better than Henle? Isn't that the one SWB recommends? Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I really don't know how to pick out a good Latin program.

[latinteach]

I'm a Latin novice and still floundering around with Lively Latin and Latina Christiana...but I am curious about Wheelock's for the future. What makes Wheelock's so good? I noticed that Veritas Press recommends Wheelocks. And why is it better than Henle? Isn't that the one SWB recommends? Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I really don't know how to pick out a good Latin program.

Henle is a very good grammar-based program. So is Wheelock's. Fr. Henle wrote his book in the 1940s. Frederick Wheelock wrote his in the 1950s. The Henle book was written for Jesuit Catholic high school students. The Wheelock text was written for servicemembers using the GI Bill who were returning after WWII to get their degrees. It's a college level text. Both of the original authors of these books have passed away. Henle hasn't been revised. Wheelock has been extensively revised by Professor Richard LaFleur of the University of Georgia and a numerous amount of supplemental materials (audio, flashcards, workbooks, study guides, etc.) have been developed. Both are actually quite inexpensive programs, if you just consider the core texts which are complete by themselves. Henle has four volumes and a reference grammar. Wheelock is one volume. (The third and fourth volumes of the Henle program are anthologies of authentic Latin authors. There is a Wheelock's Latin Reader which is also an anthology.) Wheelock's has extensive links and online support http://www.wheelockslatin.com

Both Henle and Wheelock require some pacing adjustments for middle and high school students.

Galore Park also has good grammar-based programs.

Many people like to combine grammar-based programs with linguistically-based reading programs like Latina Lingua, Cambridge Latin, Ecce Romani, etc.

It is difficult to pick out a Latin program because there are many good ones to choose from and it's easy to get tempted to try another program.

[SkiMom]

Thank you so much for all the information Latinteach!!

[teacalm]

I'm trying to block out what I read from this thread and telling myself ds and I are sticking with our beloved Henle (and Lingua). But I took out my Wheelock's set and started reading through it. The author of the Wheelock guide that I have went through Wheelock's in three months. One chapter a day...I wonder if I can replicate that feat.

I'm sticking with Henle for now.:)) But don't hold me to it.:((

I love this board.

Lyn

[crosseyedparent]

Does the MODG lesson plan use the Revised 6th edition of Wheelock's? Would you say it is a good syllabus to use for Latin I and II?

[Hoggirl]

Does the MODG lesson plan use the Revised 6th edition of Wheelock's? Would you say it is a good syllabus to use for Latin I and II?

I haven't used it yet and will spread it out when I do as my ds is younger. However, it looks very thorough and easy to implement. It schedules in the readings from the 38 stories from Wheelock's but those are optional which sort of gives you a day of "cushion" every once in awhile if you opt not to do them.

HTH

[shamima]

hi,
oh, this makes me remember the comprehensive 2 year latin course i took in high school with an excellent teacher from scotland. that was ages ago!
thank you for the referral.
do we need to buy all 3 books that's listed in the amazon. or would comprehensive and workbook suffice?

shamima

[mo2]

Is Wheelocks secular or Christian? Do they use classical or ecclesiastical pronounciation?

[latinteach]

Is Wheelocks secular or Christian? Do they use classical or ecclesiastical pronounciation?

Wheelocks is a secular textbook. It is probably the best-selling Latin curriculum of the 20th and 21st century. It was written in the 1950s by Frederic Wheelock, primarily for the troops using the GI Bill who were returning from World War II and the Korean War. A unique feature is its use of authentic Latin readings from the beginning chapters. There are some selections from the Vulgate in the "sequel" to the textbook, an anthology called Wheelock's Latin Reader (to be read after completion of the main textbook), but it is definitely a secular textbook. It's currently in its sixth edition, revised. The original author passed away several years ago, but the book has continued to be revised by Professor Richard A. LaFleur of the University of Georgia.

There is a 4 CD audio accompaniment to the textbook. It uses Classical pronunciation, which is the pronunciation used by the vast majority of colleges and universities. You can hear some substantial samples here:

http://wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction.html

[mo2]

Wheelocks is a secular textbook. It is probably the best-selling Latin curriculum of the 20th and 21st century. It was written in the 1950s by Frederic Wheelock, primarily for the troops using the GI Bill who were returning from World War II and the Korean War. A unique feature is its use of authentic Latin readings from the beginning chapters. There are some selections from the Vulgate in the "sequel" to the textbook, an anthology called Wheelock's Latin Reader (to be read after completion of the main textbook), but it is definitely a secular textbook. It's currently in its sixth edition, revised. The original author passed away several years ago, but the book has continued to be revised by Professor Richard A. LaFleur of the University of Georgia.

There is a 4 CD audio accompaniment to the textbook. It uses Classical pronunciation, which is the pronunciation used by the vast majority of colleges and universities. You can hear some substantial samples here:

http://wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction.html


Thanks! Another one to add to my list! ;)

[In The Great White North]

If Wheelock's and Henle both start at the beginning and are both grammar based, why do some schools (MODG) do Henle for three years (through Book 2), then start Wheelock? Wouldn't one normally do one or the other, instead of one after the other? Is there an advantage to doing Henle first? Are Henle's explanations better? After having done two books of Henle, why would one want to do Wheelock, instead of going on to Henle 3 and 4 (ie. readings)?

[latinteach]

If Wheelock's and Henle both start at the beginning and are both grammar based, why do some schools (MODG) do Henle for three years (through Book 2), then start Wheelock? Wouldn't one normally do one or the other, instead of one after the other? Is there an advantage to doing Henle first? Are Henle's explanations better? After having done two books of Henle, why would one want to do Wheelock, instead of going on to Henle 3 and 4 (ie. readings)?

Wheelock's almost exclusively uses readings either adapted or taken from original authors. It may be that some schools are picking up with Wheelock to do some final review on some topics and then working on the extensive, authentic readings in the Wheelock's appendix. Henle 2's readings are from Caesar (very war-focused) and it may be that the teachers prefer the selections in Wheelock's which are more varied to include poetry, philosophy, and fables.

Henle 3 and 4 are really anthologies of Roman authors, mainly Ovid, Cicero and Caesar. If you've finished Henle 1 and 2, you could continue on with 3 and 4, if you wished, or you could pick up The Wheelock Reader, which is also an anthology of readings. There are many other options as well. Bolchazy and Focus publish a number of intermediate level transitional readers based upon a wide variety of Latin authors. These books generally use authentic Latin written by the original authors, but include helpful notes and glossaries. Oxford publishes scholarly editions of Latin texts. If you don't need notes and you don't want a scholarly edition, you could always visit the Latin Library http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/ for online editions of dozens of Latin authors. The Perseus Project http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ also has a growing number of digitized Latin and Greek books. That being said, most people want the transitional help that books like Henle 3/4, Wheelock's Latin Reader, and other school editions (Bolchazy and Focus are two specialists in these types of books) provide.

A lot of people who are planning on Advanced Placement Latin may very well not be using Henle 3/4, but picking up books that are written to reflect the AP syllabus.

[In The Great White North]

Wheelock's almost exclusively uses readings either adapted or taken from original authors. It may be that some schools are picking up with Wheelock to do some final review on some topics and then working on the extensive, authentic readings in the Wheelock's appendix. Henle 2's readings are from Caesar (very war-focused) and it may be that the teachers prefer the selections in Wheelock's which are more varied to include poetry, philosophy, and fables.

Henle 3 and 4 are really anthologies of Roman authors, mainly Ovid, Cicero and Caesar. If you've finished Henle 1 and 2, you could continue on with 3 and 4, if you wished, or you could pick up The Wheelock Reader, which is also an anthology of readings. There are many other options as well. Bolchazy and Focus publish a number of intermediate level transitional readers based upon a wide variety of Latin authors. These books generally use authentic Latin written by the original authors, but include helpful notes and glossaries. Oxford publishes scholarly editions of Latin texts. If you don't need notes and you don't want a scholarly edition, you could always visit the Latin Library http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/ for online editions of dozens of Latin authors. The Perseus Project http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ also has a growing number of digitized Latin and Greek books. That being said, most people want the transitional help that books like Henle 3/4, Wheelock's Latin Reader, and other school editions (Bolchazy and Focus are two specialists in these types of books) provide.

A lot of people who are planning on Advanced Placement Latin may very well not be using Henle 3/4, but picking up books that are written to reflect the AP syllabus.

Mmmm. That makes sense. But why, if they want to finish with Wheelock, do they not also start with Wheelock? Especially since Wheelock appears to have so many more supplemental materials?

[Kareni]

Mmmm. That makes sense. But why, if they want to finish with Wheelock, do they not also start with Wheelock? Especially since Wheelock appears to have so many more supplemental materials?

My understanding is that Henle was written for high schoolers while Wheelock's was written for college aged students. This may play into the decision that others make.

Regards,
Kareni

[elizabeth]

Drum roll please......it is Wheelocks. The amazing online support, Dr Grote's guide , the online audio it is just perfect. Thank you Jennifer for freeing me from the mindset that only ecclesiastical pronunciation would do...Sweet relief from the wretched Gauls over and over and over....Henle Latin has been solid but deadly dull. Wretchedly so . It is time for change. Now if we could get Hugh Jackman to don a toga for the front webpage of Wheelock's online it would be sublime indeed. Seriously ,Jennifer ,a heartfelt thanks for sharing your joy over Wheelocks, it is right for our family at this point as well.

[Okie]

Has anyone else seen this (http://sites.google.com/site/spezadams/wheelocks)? I'm dumbfounded if this actually works, as I can't get the publishers to respond to my emails and I don't know if I can use Wheelock without a key. Hope this helps someone else, too.

[JennifersLost]

Okie, thank you SO MUCH.

I haven't had an answer key to a Latin program for the last two years and it's such a pain when there's some technical bit I just don't know.

[Spy Car]

Dale Grote's Companion book kept me sane when using Wheelocks and was exactly what I needed to not flounder. He has a gift for knowing where students might get tripped up, and he patiently talks one through the "rough spots".

Dale Grote also has "on-line" (or now you need to by them on a CD) lectures. There are "nothing fancy" graphically, but Grote has a marvelous sense of humor and a real gift as a teacher. These files used to be "free" on-line, now they are $50 and you need to send off a CD.

Not everyone will need these but doing the lessons with Professor Grote "teaching" was my favorite part about using Wheelocks. He is such a good, calming, clear and good-natured teacher. Much of the material in the "files" can also be had in the Companion book, but I so enjoyed these "flash" lectures.

There are sample lectures to listen to at his site.

http://www.classicsprofessor.com/Wheelock_Files.html

[Spy Car]

Dale Grote's Companion book kept me sane when using Wheelocks and was exactly what I needed to keep from floundering. He has a gift for knowing where students might get tripped up, and he patiently talks one through the "rough spots".

Dale Grote also has "on-line" (or now you need to by them on a CD) lectures. There are "nothing fancy" graphically, but Grote has a marvelous sense of humor and a real gift as a teacher. These files used to be "free" on-line, now they are $50 and you need to send off a CD.

Not everyone will need these but doing the lessons with Professor Grote "teaching" was my favorite part about using Wheelocks. He is such a good, calming, clear and good-natured teacher. Much of the material in the "files" can also be had in the Companion book, but I really enjoyed these "flash" lectures.

There are sample lectures to listen to at his site.

http://www.classicsprofessor.com/Wheelock_Files.html

[Hilary]

Okie, you ARE a lifesaver! My son and I are using the workbook to review two to three chapters a day before his final exam, and I was dying without an answer key after the first few chapters!! I haven't gotten a response from the publisher either, but now I don't care!