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Cindyg
02-24-2008, 08:59 PM
We have the cutest dog in the world. He's a 15-lb, 1 year old, all-white, all-fluffy Bolognese. He had really long hair, hair that dragged the ground.

About six weeks ago, we had his hair trimmed. I swear he came home from the groomer with straight legs. The groomer even commented on how cute his "post-like" legs looked in his new hair cut.

But about a week after that, his right front leg started to twist at the ankle. Now I can't be sure it actually started then. It could have been twisted under all that hair, and we couldn't have known. But it's dang sure twisted now.

I rushed him to the vet, fearing the worst, but the vet said there's nothing wrong, that it's poor conformation, "knocked knees." He didn't even want to do x-rays. He said because the dog is small, it won't likely cause him serious problems, but that if he were a bigger dog, this would cause terrible joint pain or arthritis. Personally, I can't imagine he's going to age well with the leg twisted like this.

I asked the vet if it was possible that poor conformation was just now showing up. He said the tendency was probably there all along, but he has just now grown into it. :confused:

I e-mailed the breeder -- not a puppy mill, but a very serious breeder; and she is baffled. I can't photograph this because the problem is 3D and the pictures are 2D. In the pictures it just looks like the dog is taking a step. But he's not.

I'll try to describe this: It looks like he's standing on his tippy toes, just on the one foot. But he's not. He's actually standing on his pad. The knee bends the wrong way and the ankle flips out to the side. His hair is still fluffy enough that it's difficult to be any more precise than that.

There is no injury. He's not limping, whimpering, or favoring the leg. He still runs and plays and has a happy look on his face. The leg is simply -- and suddenly -- deformed. ??

The breeder wants a second vet opinion and and x-rays (just for her own curiousity. We're not expecting her to do anything about it). And we're also inclined to see another vet for a second opinion and x-rays. DH and I are concerned -- despite what the vet said, and despite that the puppy seems fine -- that there is something horribly wrong with him, and that this is going to get worse and/or affect other legs or other body parts. :(

Any educated guesses to comfort us (or otherwise)?

Sunny
02-24-2008, 10:21 PM
It does sound like a unique situation.
First, if your breeder is simply "interested", SHE should pay for the second opinion. My contract gives me the right for a refund if the dog is deformed. Have you read your contract lately? I'm surprised she would "do nothing".
After you have done the vet thing with the xrays, I would see an animal chiropractor. You never know what they can do! I have personally used a chiro on both our dogs for some serious injuries that a vet could not "fix", because nothing was "broken". I can't emphasize enough that a chiro may be able to help with something like this.

Cindyg
02-24-2008, 10:44 PM
She hasn't refused to do anything. We haven't asked her to do anything. There's NO WAY we're returning the puppy! We've had him a year! (We didn't just get him.)

If I were in her shoes, I would probably offer a discount on another puppy; but we don't want another puppy. Also, if I were the breeder, I would want to see his siblings; and I'd consider taking the parents out of my breeding program. So the breeder really does need to know what this is.

The chiropractor idea is a good one. Though my husband will think I'm out of my mind if I suggest it. :rolleyes: But thanks.

Soph the vet
02-25-2008, 08:52 AM
Hi Cindy,
Sounds like a valgus deformity (fancy name for twisted leg). An x-ray would help determine whether it was caused by premature closure of one side of his growth plate or possibly trauma. I have more experience with these in horses where certain surgeries can be performed to help prevent further deformity and secondary arthritis. In dogs, some breeds naturally develop this like Bassetts, Dachsunds, etc. An x-ray may also tip you off to a condition like OCD (osteochondritis dessicans) which is a subchondral bone lesion in young dogs that can cause them to be lame in a leg or use their leg differently. This can be corrected by surgery in some cases. If you go to an animal chiropractor, I would go to one who is also a vet, there are many vets who have their chiro liscense as well. Look for "holistic" services advertised at their practice.

Sunny
02-25-2008, 11:30 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you give your dog up! My contract says I can return the dog, get another dog, or get a refund. I couldn't imagine giving up or getting another dog after a year, so I suggested a refund :)

I would simply check your contract, and yes, the breeders need to know what is in their breeding line, which surprised me that you said she was just curious and probably wouldn't do anything about it.

I hope you can resolve this to some degree...after a year, or heck, a couple of months, it is hard to see your pup in trouble and be stuck with decisions like this.

Cindyg
02-25-2008, 10:32 PM
Soph, would a regular general practice vet be up on this, or do I need to go to a specialist. I know with horses there are "leg doctors." Is this true with dogs too?

Should I ask my vet for a referral for the second opinion or should I just go out on my own? Or should I ask my own vet to do the x-rays? I don't have any problem with my vet, but I think we need to investigate further, and he didn't initially see any point in pursuing this further.

And could this come up spontaneously at a year old?

This is not a slight imperfection. His leg is really messed up. :(

Soph the vet
02-26-2008, 09:09 AM
Cindy,
I would say if he is reluctant to work up the limb problem then ask him for an orthopedic vet in the area to take your dog to. There are boarded veterinary surgeons all over the country and I'm sure there is at least one orthopedic one in your area. The initial exam and x-rays might run you a couple hundred dollars. But a specialist would be able to tell you if there is any known surgery that could help your pup. It is likely your vet does not see a lot of limb deformities (as they are rare) and doesn't feel comfortable giving you a concrete plan for how to proceed. If I am in this boat (which often happens:o) I do not hesitate to refer. In the veterinary world you can usually just self-refer unless it is to your local veterinary school hospital.

Cindyg
02-27-2008, 12:06 AM
Thanks. The horse vet was here today, and I asked him to take a look at it. He said pretty much what you said and what my vet said. I also called my dog vet today and asked for an orthopedic referral, and I am going to take the puppy in. I hate to spend the money -- especially since there's probably nothing that can be done. But we're not going to be happy until we know what this is and whether it can be helped or whether it's going to get worse. :(