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bonniebeth4
02-04-2009, 04:35 PM
I have a friend with a 5yo Kindergarten student. She taught him how to read using (I think it's called) whole-word recognition. Basically everything is a sight word and he does not know how to sound out new words. She has realized that this is keeping him progressing, and wants to re-teach phonics. Do you have any suggestions for teaching phonics to to someone who can already read? She is currently using 100 EL with her 4yo and has tried to teach some phonics to the 5 yo, but he won't do it with words that he can already read--he just reads them.

Jumping In Puddles
02-04-2009, 04:46 PM
I might suggest ABeCeDarian because in the program there are word scrambles and other assignments that help with phonics so it may work for a child who doesn't want to hear (b a t spells bat because b says buh...a says ah..). This way the words are jumbled and there is no way to put them together without sounding the letters out.

Also it goes over all the sounds together like oa oe o ough ow o_e so when he is going through the pages it may make more sense to him to see that all the letters in the unit are making the oh sound so he doesn't have to feel like he already knows all the words but no doubt he will see some new words.

I'm sure ElizabethB (from the phonics page) and others will have some other advice for you as well but I thought I'd throw that out there because this is the type of student that I think ABeCeD is especially good for.

YHZNS
02-04-2009, 05:13 PM
I taught my daughter to read using the whole-word recognition method (Ladybird UK Key Words) because that is how I learned to read. I have tried several programs to help her with phonics. The best fit for us has been ABeCeDarian. ABeCeDarian doesn't introduce word families (like bat, cat, hat or mop, top, cop, etc.). Hooked on Phonics uses word families and I found that she guessed a lot. In Level A, all the short vowel sounds are mixed up do you really have to sound out the word to know if it is map or mop, etc. Hope this helps!

Rebecca
p.s. We are using the Primary Phonics workbooks and storybooks with ABCD and my daughter really likes them.

ElizabethB
02-04-2009, 06:51 PM
I agree, no word families!

Also, use a lot of nonsense words and/or have him sound out each sound of every word from left to right before being allowed to say the word. (for example, /c/ /a/ /t/ cat, /w/ /a/ /t/ wait, /sh/ /ou/ /t/ shout)

He's a bit young, but he could try my remedial phonics lessons, they're meant for remediating people taught with sight words. Mom could pause each movie after 10 minutes and come back to it after a break, it's a lot of information at once for a 5 year old.

The Blend Phonics Reader is also good, it has similar configuration words together to help them see and break their guessing from configuration habits. (bat bit bet, slug slag slap slip, etc.)

http://donpotter.net/Blend%20Phonics.htm

Also, she should play my concentration game with him, it makes both nonsense and real words:

http://www.thephonicspage.org/On%20Phonics/concentrationgam.html

(To get points for a word, make him sound it out before saying it. If he just says the word, no points! After a few weeks or a month of this, you could start to not make him do this, but it will be necessary in the beginning to help him break his whole word habits.)

Here's my overall suggestions for a remedial student:

http://www.thephonicspage.org/On%20Reading/remedialstudents.html

Also, how and why not to teach more than 5 words by sight:

http://www.thephonicspage.org/On%20Reading/sightwords.html

Amber in AUS
02-05-2009, 05:48 AM
Could she not look at it from a spelling perspective and use something like ETC or AAS which will increase his ability to get words on paper which will influence his reading too. Just my .02c worth.

I know for my DD she approaches read and writing words completely differently (almost doesn't make the connection) and we are using different things to cover encoding and decoding.

Lovedtodeath
02-05-2009, 08:26 AM
I would use Elizabeth's suggestions. My DD learned to read with phonics, but soon added an extensive sight word vocabulary. She was doing ETC and OPG by sight, for the most part. An unrecognized word was agony to get her to sound out. Mulitsyllable words work better for getting her to sound out because she doesn't recognize as many. Nonsense words work well too. I don't know what all is included with Elizabeth's program. I really like using flashcards that have the phonic's rules on them. I copied mine from the WRTR book at the library.

Jumping In Puddles
02-05-2009, 11:07 AM
I forgot to mention that Short level A and B in ABeCedarian have pages of nonsense words and that forces them to use phonics.

The way they have the kids "flex" sounds like ow is effective. So the child will read tow and say "toe, tow" and cow as "c oh" and "cow" and then tell you the right way.

ETA: What ElizabethB said :lol: Elizabeth ALWAYS comes through and I love, love the phonics pages!

mom31257
02-05-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm using Horizons Phonics with my K son. It moves at a very fast pace, which would be good for a child that's all ready reading. The lessons include non-sense words as someone else suggested. An aspect that my son really likes is that there are phrases to read and match to pictures. These are usually very funny things that couldn't really happen, so he gets a laugh out of it. There are worksheets for every lesson and stories in a reader. The stories include words that the student hasn't been exposed to yet, which I think helps expand their knowledge.

The beginning lessons are to cover a letter sound a day. Then they move into blends and long vowel sounds. It's going to cover soft consonants, digraphs, vowel pairs, etc. This program covers a lot about phonics, but includes grammar also. It's all ready teaching sentence punctuation and alphabetical order.

Here's a link to their scope and sequence, but I think it's for everything they offer.

http://www.aoacademy.com/media/pdf/products/scope_and_sequence/horizons_ss.pdf

bonniebeth4
02-05-2009, 06:12 PM
Thanks, everyone. I will pass along the suggestions.