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forty-two
01-28-2009, 09:42 AM
Online used bookstores are dangerous things :D As are obscure articles recommending even more obscure books. I have now significantly increased my Latin collection; prior to my little spending spree, I had just two Latin books - a copy of Wheelock from dh's college days, and the Lingua Latina CD-ROM I bought a while ago for me.

Here's my haul:

* Latin: A Structural Approach, by Waldo E. Sweet (Rev ed, 1966, oop)
The book that began this little shopping frenzy. When my search for "Latin structural grammar" (structural grammar focuses on the mechanics and construction of sentences, and deals more with the form of words than their meanings; I fell in love with it when I read an English grammar book that followed this approach - it appeals to the left brain geek in me :tongue_smilie:) turned up a journal article from the 60s by this guy who spent his career applying modern linguistic techniques to Latin, and - as it turns out - wrote a book on it. Of course I had to have it :lol:. (Actually, this book was a precursor to Artes Latinae (http://www.bolchazy.com/index.php?cat=al&sub=main), which is also by Sweet, but is much more spendy.)

*Latin for Reading, by Knudsvig, Craig, and Seligson (Rev ed, 1986)
Reading about Sweet led me to this book. Sweet was a professor at the University of Michigan, and his work really influenced the Latin teaching there, to the point that the approach he pioneered is referred to as "Michigan Latin". This book was written by several people who studied with him, and is the current text used in beginning Latin classes at U of M. How could I pass that up? :tongue_smilie:

I also got an ancient Greek text that seems to follow a structural grammar approach - Ancient Greek: A New Approach by Carl Ruck (2nd ed, 1979) - and picked up a cheap copy of WRTR. That was Monday.

On Tuesday, I discovered another obscure article - an online copy of a 1997 journal article that reprinted excerpts from a 1968 booklet, "A Consumer's Guide to Latin Textbooks" (here (http://www.txclassics.org/exrpts2.htm), if you are interested). In there, while talking about the Direct Method (which fascinates me, though I don't know if I will ever have good enough Latin skills to do it justice), he mentioned a text based on this method "that remains the best available for teaching children up to the age of about eleven." As someone who plans to teach my kiddos Latin earlier rather than later, and isn't thrilled with most of the elementary Latin programs available, how could I pass that up? Especially when I realized just how obscure it apparently is; I could find only two copies of the first book - one in the U.S. (it's mine! all mine! :D) and one in Holland. Comparatively, the sequel was positively everywhere: one in the U.S. and several in the U.K. (on Alibris, as it turns out, shipping from the U.K. is still just $3.99 - who knew?) And thus I added the following two books to my ever-growing collection:
*Principia: a Beginning Latin Course, by Peckett and Munday (2nd ed, 1951, oop)
*Pseudolus Noster. a Beginners' Latin Course, by Peckett and Munday (1st ed, 1950, oop)

Then, very early this morning, while I was up with my little one, I thought about how extensive reading of Latin from the beginning is strongly recommended to really become proficient in the language. I've been collecting up comprehensible Latin input for a while now (including this very helpful site (http://www.johnpiazza.net/comprehensible_input)which contains, amongst other things, a couple collections of readings from oop Latin texts), and I've always thought that the Cambridge Latin books would be great as readers. And so, in a flush of spending glee, I went on Amazon and ordered not one, not two, but four books of the Cambridge series :tongue_smilie::
*Cambridge Latin Course Unit 1 Student's book North American edition (3rd ed, 1988)
*Cambridge Latin Course Unit 2 Student's book North American edition (3rd ed, 1988)
*Cambridge Latin Course Unit 3 Student's book North American edition (3rd ed, 1990)
*Cambridge Latin Course Unit 4 Student's book North American edition (3rd ed, 1991)

This morning I contemplated adding the Ecce Romani books to the stack, but decided that enough's enough. For now, anyway ;). At any rate, I spent just a hair under $100 for the whole bunch - not too shabby, eh?

Nan in Mass
01-28-2009, 01:11 PM
What! You don't want to read the tombstone inscriptions and the graffitti in Ecce? Or spend way too much time admiring the pictures? (I will be forever grateful to the artist who drew the facing pages of those stories. They remind me of my Dick and Jane readers LOL, probably for the same reason - I spend lots of time looking at the pictures because I only sort of understand the text. Or I'm waiting for other people to sort of understand the text. The style is rather similar, too, probably also for the samer reason. I like all the other artwork and photos of coins and statues, too GRIN.)

forty-two
01-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Ack! Don't tempt me! :glare: I already have books I & III in my cart as it is :tongue_smilie:. They were the textbooks I had in high school and I remember how pretty they were. If I could only find them a wee bit cheaper (I got the Cambridge books for around $0.50 each, plus shipping) I would definitely go for it. Someday I will get them (and someday might very well end up being today). I don't buy stuff too often, but when I do, I go hog-wild. Clearly. :lol:

Plaid Dad
01-28-2009, 01:40 PM
Great haul! I'm trying not to envy you your copy of "Principia" too much. ;)

forty-two
01-28-2009, 03:27 PM
Well, there's always Holland (http://www.antiqbook.nl/boox/scrini/7747.shtml):tongue_smilie: - both books for 18.55 Euros - you know you want them :lol:.

Might as well enable others - I've been enabled right into all three Ecce Romani books :glare:. Another $26 added on - not too bad. It will be nice to have them. I think I am pretty well set for Latin at the moment - time to move on to Greek :D.

Nan in Mass
01-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Athenaze was done by my Greek prof, along with Ecce GRIN...

forty-two
01-28-2009, 03:34 PM
Athenaze is on my list to get, but I think I am spent out now. Unless I could get it for *really* cheap....:tongue_smilie:

Plaid Dad
01-28-2009, 03:35 PM
I am so weak. NL it is. :lol:

forty-two
01-28-2009, 03:45 PM
LOL - join the spending fun :tongue_smilie:

I did a search for Athenaze - ~$12.50 w/ shipping for book 1. Not bad, but I am officially spent out. I was tempted by the Italian version (which is supposed to be similar-ish to LL) for ~$25, but it would have to ship from Italy, and I'm not tempted enough to figure out what insane amount shipping would run. Ack! The $25 is *with* shipping. Oh, maybe I'm not spent out after all - that is a good price. Oh, you are a wicked, wicked woman :glare:. Decisions, decisions...I am going to have no money left after all this :tongue_smilie:. Good thing my birthday is coming up.

Nan in Mass
01-28-2009, 04:21 PM
I, too, am struggling with overseas sites trying to order French history/geography texts GRIN. Fortunately, so far I've been so afraid of how much they were going to end up costing that it has kept me from ordering anything else tempting that I've run across. Have you ever dealt with priceminister before? It seems to be trying to force me to use one of its suggested passwords by insisting that all the most random of passwords I try have already been taken. Hmmm...

forty-two
01-28-2009, 04:35 PM
Well, fortunately for my pocketbook, the $25 w/shipping book is just a book of exercises. The actual texts are $30.24 for vol 1 and $32.71 for vol 2, with priority shipping $24.36 for both together (and not much less for just one). Those prices seem to be the list prices at the publisher's website (thank you google translator!), so it is no savings, just a convenient way to buy them.

I did look at samples - pretty cool, lots of Greek text - WAY more than the American version. As in 12 pages of text to one paragraph. I want. But not today. I would have to get the American version too, as all the history and grammar is in Italian, and my Italian is not quite up to snuff :tongue_smilie:. But I think it would be worth it.

forty-two
01-28-2009, 04:40 PM
No, I'm afraid I've never used priceminister. I found the Italian Athenaze listed on Abebooks - seems like ordering will be as simple as ordering something from the U.S. Just more pricey.

GL with your French books :001_smile:.

Nan in Mass
01-28-2009, 04:53 PM
When I ordered the teacher's guides to Athenaze a few years ago (having, after 20 years, become sure that I do indeed want to do this when I am old LOL and now knowing from homeschooling that the teacher's guides are very nice to have), I had to order them from India. At least they are in English. And courtesy of Ablibris, my son's Cambridge Latin (extra reading to keep us from forgetting while the older one was travelling) came from England. I can't believe how little it sometimes costs to ship used books.

My husband just had the brilliant idea of asking Schoenhoff's in Boston to try to get the books for me. And when we go pick them up (providing they can get them), I'll get to browse... Lovely idea.

-Nan

Kareni
01-28-2009, 08:21 PM
... And thus I added the following two books to my ever-growing collection:
*Principia: a Beginning Latin Course, by Peckett and Munday (2nd ed, 1951, oop)
*Pseudolus Noster. a Beginners' Latin Course, by Peckett and Munday (1st ed, 1950, oop)



The names Peckett and Munday rang a bell here. They are the authors of the Greek text that my daughter's instructor is using. My daughter (a senior who is in her fifth year of Latin) is loving this new Greek program. The text is Thrasymachus: Greek Through Reading (http://www.amazon.com/Thrasymachus-Greek-Through-Reading-Language/dp/0862921392).

Something else to add to your future Greek wish list!

Regards,
Kareni

forty-two
01-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Thanks! I added it to my wishlist. I had forgotten about that one, though I had liked it - and bookmarked it - the last time I was looking at Greek texts.

Of course, despite my best intentions, I've already started working on my Greek stash :glare:. I am now the proud owner of books 1&2 of the Italian Athenaze (I'm really excited about those :)), book 1 of the American Athenaze, and Ancient Greek Alive, by Paula Saffire (mostly for the readings and the oral Greek scripts). They set me back a pretty penny, but now I have six Greek texts instead just one (my dh's NT Greek from seminary - a very thorough but intimidating book). Thrasymachus, A Reading Course in Homeric Greek by Leslie Edwards, and book 2 of the American Athenaze are the biggies on my remaining Greek wishlist.

I'm definitely completely spent out, now, though - I haven't gone on a spree like that ever! But I have 17 new (to me) books to show for it :D.

Nan in Mass
01-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Cool!