Concurrent classes - would you overlap?

[CynthiaOK]

In other words, if your student has had chemistry at home, would you consider having him take freshman chemistry concurrently? I'm particularly interested the sciences at this point. We typically finish out high school math at the college level with College Algebra, PreCalc/Trig, and Calculus beginning in fall of 11th grade.

I can see some definite advantages to having already taken some college level sciences before entrance enabling the student to take fewer 'rigorous' courses per semester for a while.

But how would you go about putting these on the *high school* transcript:

Chemistry 1 - high school
Freshman Chemistry - high school taken concurrently at XXX University

Obviously the content of the university level chemistry should be deeper than what was covered in a basic high school text (not AP or Honors).

The math is easy to transcript because we don't overlap, but 2 chemistry classes or 2 biology classes might look odd.

What d'ya think?

[Brenda in MA]

Chem at the CC after having taken a high school level chem at home. He is currently a senior.

When I made up his transcript, I put the high school chem class on it with his other science courses, and then I put the college chem class in the "notes" section saying that he was currently taking it.

I did this because he doesn't need the college chem class to count towards high school graduation requirements for science, as those have already been met with previous classes.

At one of the colleges we visited this summer (I don't recall which), I was told that he would be able to transfer his cc credits there only if they did not also count for high school credit. This is why I deliberately put them into the "notes" section of the high school transcript and not with the other science courses. We will be sending a separate cc transcript to the colleges to go with his applications.

I decided that it would be a good idea for him to take chemistry at the cc because his major would probably require chemistry, but only 1 semester worth. So if he can transfer this course, he might not have to take chemistry at his eventual college at all. I deliberately did not choose physics because he will probably need several semesters of physics, and I was afraid that physics 1 at cc might not exactly equal physics 1 at his eventual college. If the two courses didn't cover the same material, then he might be at a disadvantage taking physics 2 at his eventual college after transferring the physics 1 credit from cc.

HTH,
Brenda

[threetreasurs]

For my son's classes at CC, I listed them as the title at the CC then had him take the AP tests just to cover our bases.

[Gwen in VA]

I listed our classes by subject on the transcript, and then within the subject I listed them chronologically.

On the side I put a note "All classes taught by parents unless otherwise noted" and then had a "key code" with web address for outside classes (K) == Keystone High School, (W&M) = William and Mary, etc.

Next to every class that wasn't taught by my husband or me, I put the relevant code, so that it might read "Calculus 1 (TNCC)"

We intermingled the classes taken for high school graduation requirements and all the other classes. (I have no idea what our high school requirements are, and I don't feel like deciding!) My kids did receive credit for all the college classes they took (except the cc class) during high school, even though the high school and college classes were intermingled.

[LoriM]

My daughters get DUAL enrollment credit for their college courses. That is, they are taking college courses that count on their high school transcript for the equivalent course. English 111 + English 113 (plus a couple of other units I taught on poetry and drama) equals English III for high school. Papers they write for college credit ALSO count as high school credit.

So YES, my daughter took college chemistry and it went on both transcripts. In our case, she'd already done basic chemistry at home, so we simply called college chemistry "advanced chem" for her high school transcript.

[Moni]

In other words, if your student has had chemistry at home, would you consider having him take freshman chemistry concurrently?

No, I would just have him do one course or the other.
Two sounds like double work to me, and I woudn't want to devote two class periods to the same subject.

:seeya:

[Carol in Cal.]

One was normal high school chemistry, and the other was AP Chemistry. The college didn't object to calling those each a lab science, but they did question why I did not take high school physics.

Of course that was a while ago, but I would check with the colleges as to how best to position this, but I wouldn't necessarily rule out counting those as two years of lab science.

[Kareni]

So YES, my daughter took college chemistry and it went on both transcripts. In our case, she'd already done basic chemistry at home, so we simply called college chemistry "advanced chem" for her high school transcript.

I'm with Lori on this one. I think it would be analogous to having Algebra I, Algebra 2, and College Algebra on a syllabus.

My daughter's syllabus shows World Literature from 1700 to 2000 (in 9th grade, taken at home) and ENG 109: Survey of World Literature (in 11th grade, taken at the community college). The course descriptions are different, and different works were covered in each.

I guess the only difference is that my daughter did not do these classes concurrently rather she took them separated in time.

Regards,
Kareni

[Moni]

So YES, my daughter took college chemistry and it went on both transcripts.

I thought the question was about taking two separate courses.
If one takes college chemistry . .
I would have the student take the One Class, and post it on both transcripts CC and high sch.

But I wouldn't have the student "take" two courses.

:seeya:

[8FillTheHeart]

Are you asking if they should take both *at the same time?* That I would not do. As far as taking classes that have the same *name,* yes, I would.

My ds took hs chemistry as well as 2 semesters of college chemistry hs pre-cal and college pre-cal, etc. I simply labeled the dual-enrollment courses as college chemistry 101 or whatever.

The only classes I didn't "double" on were humanities courses, like composition.

[CynthiaOK]

No, not at the same time. I'm wondering about putting 10th grade chemistry on a transcript along with 11th grade college level chemistry taken concurrently. Both would be on the high school transcript but taken different years.

[Gwen in VA]

Most kids who take AP sciences take a year of the subject beforehand.

For example, my ds took chemistry in 10th grade from Keystone and then in 11th grade he took AP chemistry from PAH. It never even occurred to me NOT to list both courses and give him credit for each. Both classes are listed on his transcript and no one blinked an eye.

Way back I took biology in 9th grade and then AP biology in 11th grade. Both are listed on my high school transcript.

If the cc class was a more rigorous class (which it probably was) and not just a redo of the high school class, I would certainly list both on the transcript and give two years of credit.

Homeschooling high school can certainly be confusing, can't it? :grouphug:

[LoriM]

I thought the question was about taking two separate courses.
If one takes college chemistry . .
I would have the student take the One Class, and post it on both transcripts CC and high sch.

But I wouldn't have the student "take" two courses.

:seeya:

My daughter did take TWO courses. She took high school chemistry at home then college chemistry that we called "Advanced Chem" on her high school transcript. But, no, I wouldn't have her take them during the same semester. I thought the original question was, "My child has already done chemistry at home. Would you have him take chemistry while still in high school but at the community college?" I'd vote yes, and suggest counting it as an advanced course. GRIN.

[LoriM]

No, not at the same time. I'm wondering about putting 10th grade chemistry on a transcript along with 11th grade college level chemistry taken concurrently. Both would be on the high school transcript but taken different years.

Okay, good...whew. I thought my old age was kicking it. GRIN. Yes, count 'em twice. Mallory did through Calc I at home, then did College Algebra, PreCalc, Calc I and Stats at the community college. I listed ALL the math she did, which gave her 10 credits of high school math. Ha! No one batted an eye at all...