Introductory Logic

[Mrs Mungo]

The one recommended in TWTM-is it this one (http://www.rainbowresource.com/product/Introductory+Logic+Homeschool+Pkg+4th+Edition/INLRPK/1218326085-1590721) or is it this one (http://www.rainbowresource.com/product/Introductory+Logic+Solution+Manual/005795/1218326085-1590721) ? Or are they the same and one is an older edition? I actually purchased the latter at a used book store for cheap but the other one with dvds and all is tempting to me. Looking here: http://www.exodusbooks.com/publisher.aspx?id=29&gradeid=10 it looks like they are the same thing. Can I just buy the DVD set or would it not fit? I usually don't have this hard of a time making decisions.

[mcconnellboys]

I used the second one. I've never seen the first one, so don't know if that's an update. Is it by the same author? (sorry, I didn't see author listed)....

[Mrs Mungo]

I used the second one. I've never seen the first one, so don't know if that's an update. Is it by the same author? (sorry, I didn't see author listed)....

From the last link it appears they are the same author so maybe it's an update? I also found the set used for $50, cheaper than ordering just the DVDs new. Hm...maybe I could buy the used set and then sell the ones I have? Or the extra teacher book at least?

[Spy Car]

In another thread it was mentioned that this will no longer be recommended in the new edition of the WTM. I would not touch this work with a ten foot pole.

Bill

[Mrs Mungo]

In another thread it was mentioned that this will no longer be recommended in the new edition of the WTM. I would not touch this work with a ten foot pole.

Bill

Oh really? Crud. Do you have another recommendation for logic studies?

[Spy Car]

Oh really? Crud. Do you have another recommendation for logic studies?

I've been extremely frustrated in not finding an "acceptable" Logic program (as in one that teaches Logic, rather than pushing world-view).

You may find this thread helpful:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47059&highlight=logic

Holly in NNV's suggestion in this thread ("Socratic Logic" by Kreeft) intrigues me, but I have not had an opportunity to read it yet.

I do hope this is helpful to you,

Bill

[anissarobert]

They are the same book. The pink ones are older.

I agree with Bill, that there are no secular logic texts for upper elementary to be found. It would be nice if there were other choices to teach logic to this age group. (The Socratic Logic book went to the top of buy list also but it sounds like it is for an older age group.)

However I have used these before and they are adaptable. They do teach the basics of Logic. (They assume Christian religious beliefs as fact, but that is not a problem for every user.) I found that I had to adapt them because there were children from various backrounds in my co-op class. I do not find Introductory Logic and Intermediate Logic to be perfect texts, but I will continue to use (and modify) them.

[Mrs Mungo]

I've been extremely frustrated in not finding an "acceptable" Logic program (as in one that teaches Logic, rather than pushing world-view).

You may find this thread helpful:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47059&highlight=logic

Holly in NNV's suggestion in this thread ("Socratic Logic" by Kreeft) intrigues me, but I have not had an opportunity to read it yet.

I do hope this is helpful to you,

Bill

I was just reading that thread. I see that SWB currently recommends Traditional Logic but still finds Introductory Logic a suitable alternative, just rather boring. That's really the piece of information I need.

I'm not worried about anyone pushing worldview on me or my children. I fight bias in all sorts of books all of the time with my kids. Bias against women, bias against Native Americans, bias for *or against* Christians, etc. I think being a classroom teacher you are right to be vigilant but I have the ability to discuss (or the luxury of discussing) such things at length with my students.

eta: I hope this doesn't come across as snarky. I can be a little too straightforward at times in my verbiage and it can come across as snarky when I don't intend it as such. I don't have one of those rainbow and cupcake factories in my brain filter that some people do. :)

[Mrs Mungo]

They are the same book. The pink ones are older.

I agree with Bill, that there are no secular logic texts for upper elementary to be found. It would be nice if there were other choices to teach logic to this age group. (The Socratic Logic book went to the top of buy list also but it sounds like it is for an older age group.)

However I have used these before and they are adaptable. They do teach the basics of Logic. (They assume Christian religious beliefs as fact, but that is not a problem for every user.) I found that I had to adapt them because there were children from various backrounds in my co-op class. I do not find Introductory Logic and Intermediate Logic to be perfect texts, but I will continue to use (and modify) them.

Thank you, Anissa! I appreciate the information!

[Spy Car]

I was just reading that thread. I see that SWB currently recommends Traditional Logic but still finds Introductory Logic a suitable alternative, just rather boring. That's really the piece of information I need.

I'm not worried about anyone pushing worldview on me or my children. I fight bias in all sorts of books all of the time with my kids. Bias against women, bias against Native Americans, bias for *or against* Christians, etc. I think being a classroom teacher you are right to be vigilant but I have the ability to discuss (or the luxury of discussing) such things at length with my students.

eta: I hope this doesn't come across as snarky. I can be a little too straightforward at times in my verbiage and it can come across as snarky when I don't intend it as such. I don't have one of those rainbow and cupcake factories in my brain filter that some people do. :)

No, you don't sound "snarky" to me. I'd just say there is "bias" (that can be "dealt" with) and then there is perverting the rules of the intended discipline to such an extent that it is not longer "valid"as a discipline. This work (for me) falls unquestioningly into the latter category.

Bill

[Mrs Mungo]

No, you don't sound "snarky" to me. I'd just say there is "bias" (that can be "dealt" with) and then there is perverting the rules of the intended discipline to such an extent that it is not longer "valid"as a discipline. This work (for me) falls unquestioningly into the latter category.

Bill

I saw your example but I have to say that formal logic doesn't rely on real truths. In fact, the logic classes I took often said things like "if blue is red then the sky is red, assuming all statements are true, is this correct?" Or whatever. So, it doesn't pervert the rules to me but then I haven't looked at it that carefully. As I said, I did pick up one at the used bookstore so I'll definitely look at it carefully before I make a final decision.