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Robin Hood
06-21-2008, 06:46 PM
About a month ago I shared that my 9yo dd was treated meanly by 2 11yo girls during swim practice. She was shoved under water and then kicked around while coaches were working with other kids momentarily. I could see no reason for this except to be mean and the 2 girls are Mean Girls in the Bratt sort of sense. We informed the coach of the situation, tried to help dd with word usage to defend herself, and dh has made his presence known at work outs as well as me or some other female adult remaining in locker rooms at all times. They all seem to get along now.

My 2 dds are the only hs'ed kids in the group, which has not posed any problems with relationships with any other kids. They have made some great friendships. I only mention that because all the other kids on swim team do go to the same school together, our small town having only has one school. My dd has befriended one particular boy who 1 year older than she is. They are just kindred spirits, both being sort of odd in the same way. They are 2 peas in a pod and both his mom and myself were delighted they found each other because they are both little understood by their peers. They are hysterical together and speak each others language. It is nothing more than sweetness and innocense.

This week-ends swim meet has revealed that Mean Girl likes this particular nice boy. Beating up my dd didn't work so now Nice Boy's mom has informed me that Mean Girl has been being pushy with Nice Boy today, finally resulting in her grabbing him by the arm for a "meeting" to inform him he has to choose between her and my dd. :confused: I am so clueless, I never picked up on it all afternoon even after she told me. I was just glad that everybody was getting along. I finally caught on and observed the jealosy first hand when a life guard told Mean Girl to leave the younger kids alone while they swam in the kiddy pool when they were done with their morning meet. (Nice Boy and dd both swam in the younger session and played together afterwards and Mean Girl swam in the pm session being 1 year older. ) When she was told to leave, Nice Boy's mom said "Watch. She is there to moniter situation and she'll storm off now in jealousy." Nice Boy's mom was right. I saw it.

Now, how to handle it. Do I talk to dd about it, leave it alone and let kids have an innocent friendship, talk to Mean Girl???? Mean Girl lives with grandmother and does have bad influences in her life. I asked a couple of women who are close to the situation, including Nice Boy's mom, and got differing opinions and I am befuddled. I am not ready for this stuff but here it is. What do I say? I am horrible at words myself, but I can eventually get it out. Dh was raised with boys only and thinks I should handle it in a way that is appropriate for boys, which I don't think works for girls. I thought maybe I could mentor Mean Girl but dh thinks she won't get it so just leave her out of it. If I talk to dd about it, she might understand "why" it happened if nothing else.

She is my oldest, so it is new territory for me. Any of you BTDT mom's ~ tell me how it works.

melissel
06-21-2008, 06:54 PM
Wow. Just wow. How upsetting that must be.

I think I would probably just work with my DD to bolster her and prepare her to stand up for herself and for her friend as well (Nice Boy, that is). I don't think I'd try to do anything with the mean girl outside of being nice to her and prepared to head off any unpleasantness (and advocate for my DD and Nice Boy), but that's probably just my mama bear talking :tongue_smilie: What did Nice Boy say to the ultimatum? Poor kid was probably totally confusticated. Did his mom mention what she was planning to say to him--maybe something about standing up for our friends and recognizing who is a true friend and who isn't?

What a situation. I'm so glad you know the root of the issue now and can be ready to deal with it!

Scarlett
06-21-2008, 06:58 PM
Wow. Just wow. How upsetting that must be.

I think I would probably just work with my DD to bolster her and prepare her to stand up for herself and for her friend as well (Nice Boy, that is). I don't think I'd try to do anything with the mean girl outside of being nice to her and prepared to head off any unpleasantness (and advocate for my DD and Nice Boy), but that's probably just my mama bear talking :tongue_smilie: What did Nice Boy say to the ultimatum? Poor kid was probably totally confusticated. Did his mom mention what she was planning to say to him--maybe something about standing up for our friends and recognizing who is a true friend and who isn't?

What a situation. I'm so glad you know the root of the issue now and can be ready to deal with it!

:iagree: Probably the less said to the Mean Girl the better...I would talk to dd....use few words and a calm manner to get across to her how jealousy works. I always try to point out to ds that jealousy is an expression to be pitied in others.

Robin Hood
06-21-2008, 08:05 PM
[quote=melissel;311791]What did Nice Boy say to the ultimatum? Poor kid was probably totally confusticated. Did his mom mention what she was planning to say to him--maybe something about standing up for our friends and recognizing who is a true friend and who isn't?
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Nice Boy's mom called to him when Mean Girl clutched his arm for the "meeting" and asked what was happening. That's when his mom realized what was up because he said, "She wants me to choose." His mom told him, "We don't choose between friends." She is working to keep it a friend issue to maintain innocense. At the same time, she does call Mean Girl a preditor personality and is working to keep her boy from her and informing me of the same. She did talk to him about how some girls are. (She is also a school liaison and councilor. Nice Boy is her youngest, so she has btdt before and sees a lot of junk at school on a daily basis. I fully trust her and she has never interferred with my parenting.) Because she is working the ribbon desk and I am in a different location, she was seeing things I wasn't and keeping me informed. I wasn't picking up on clue words as she was being descreet as well as I was so not expecting this.

Sebastian (a lady)
06-21-2008, 09:30 PM
I've started having talks with my boys about how some girls calculate their value based on a boy liking them. We had a long what if chat one day over pizza about the hypothetical girls Jezebel and Nice Nancy. This came up after my 10 yo asked me if he was allowed to date girls because he'd been blindsided by a set up situation by a couple girls in the neighborhood.

So I think it would be entirely proper for you to start discussing this type of behavior in the abstract with the goal of then sorting the swim team behavior into the scenarios you've already discussed.

Laura K (NC)
06-21-2008, 10:13 PM
to have made friends with Nice Boy's mom, and your daughter is fortunate to have Nice Boy as a friend.

(edited... sorry, was supposed to go under Robin Hood's post!)

I was going to suggest that maybe you could be extra nice to Mean Girl, but I think three's always a crowd when it comes to personalities like hers. Being nice might be a good idea anyway (bring her some cookies one day out of the blue or something). The girl is probably really insecure, and maybe she needs a "mom." It might help if the "mom" is also a monitor on the sly, to nip the Mean Girl tendencies in the bud and to compliment her when she acts nicely.

My kids are on swim team too. They're boys so they don't get the whole emotional deal that girls have to go through. (I keep thinking I should school my oldest in the idiosyncrasies of girls before he starts dating!) Swim team doesn't last long, fortunately, and about mid-July things really start slowing down and our pool starts clearing out since all the swim team parents have to take their kids after swim team is over! I hope your summer lightens up after swim team and your daughter is able to enjoy this boy's friendship without the icky social competition.

melissel
06-21-2008, 11:40 PM
Nice Boy's mom called to him when Mean Girl clutched his arm for the "meeting" and asked what was happening. That's when his mom realized what was up because he said, "She wants me to choose." His mom told him, "We don't choose between friends." She is working to keep it a friend issue to maintain innocense.

Good for her! She sounds like a good ally. ITA with Laura K that you're both lucky to have such good friends.

I've started having talks with my boys about how some girls calculate their value based on a boy liking them. We had a long what if chat one day over pizza about the hypothetical girls Jezebel and Nice Nancy. This came up after my 10 yo asked me if he was allowed to date girls because he'd been blindsided by a set up situation by a couple girls in the neighborhood.

So I think it would be entirely proper for you to start discussing this type of behavior in the abstract with the goal of then sorting the swim team behavior into the scenarios you've already discussed.

Great approach.

Lizzie in Ma
06-22-2008, 06:55 AM
You are a better person than I am. Wanting to mentor the Mean Girl is a loving response to a lousy situation. Unfortunately, in my experience, mean girls stay mean. They may be hurting on the inside, they may have good reason to behave the way they do, they may have crappy home lives and one can pray for them and try to love them. But is mostly doesn't make them less mean in the short term.
Very hard to decide whether to tell your daughter why she is being mean and potentially damaging the innocent relationship she has with Nice Boy.
Maybe wait and watch and help with coping skills?

It is so hard isn't it?

I don't really have any advice but I do sympathize completely.
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