A question about Senator Clinton.

[Crissy]

So many of you pay much closer to politics than I do, so this may seem like a silly question.
Still, I do not understand why Senator Clinton did not concede the nomination to Senator Obama last night. What does she have to gain from denying the facts? Will she not appear foolish if she continues to wait?
What am I missing?

[beansprouts]

Maybe she's taking advice from Al Gore?

*Cindy ducks and runs*

:leaving:

[JFS in IL]

Maybe she's taking advice from Al Gore?

*Cindy ducks and runs*

:leaving:


:smilielol5:


Actually, couldn't a lot of superduperdelegates change their minds before the Convention? And the delegates Obama has earned from the elections do not HAVE to vote for him at the convention. I am sure Hillary has more plots up her sleeve....since she KNOWS we NEED and WANT her!!!!!!

[sdWTMer]

Crissy,

To answer your question...she may not have the delegates; however, she has the popular vote. If you look at the states that she has won, she could conceivably win the Presidency. I'm not even really talking about the questioned Michigan and Florida votes (which I think is completely wrong by the way -- it's seriously disenfranchising voters in those 2 states, IMHO :001_smile: ). I don't think that she appears foolish, she still has quite a base of followers. The feminists are fit to be tied that she's getting short changed and they are also probably feeling like she is overlooked.

Frankly, I feel like the Democrat party is being torn asunder. If Obama wins, you are isolating a lot of feminists and if Clinton wins they are isolating a lot of African Americans.

Just my two cents from what I can tell.

[Crissy]

Crissy,

To answer your question...she may not have the delegates; however, she has the popular vote. .


But the Democratic Nominee is chosen by delegates, is she/he not? In this case, how does the popular vote factor in?

[sdWTMer]

But the Democratic Nominee is chosen by delegates, is she/he not? In this case, how does the popular vote factor in?

You're absolutely correct that the Democratic Nominee is chosen by delegates.

Well, the popular vote doesn't factor in, but the Democrat party made a hullabaloo about President Bush getting in because Gore won the popular vote. She is just holding true to that belief, is she not?
:confused:

[Jumping In Puddles]

I don't think she's doing herself any favors by not conceding. I'm guessing she wants to concede on her terms and show she's tough and a fighter. My feeling is she should have made the call to Obama and graciously bowed out.


I do think Al Gore had every right to not concede when there was so much doubt about the count. A lot was at stake. In Hillary's case, there is no doubt. The party sets the rules and now the deal is done. Obama will be the nominee.

[Mrs Mungo]

Whether or not Clinton has the popular vote all depends on how you count the numbers. You can't count Michigan because Obama wasn't even on the ticket but she *is* counting Michigan. She's counting the caucus states that went for her and *not* the caucus states that went against her. You have to do some serious sleight of hand with the numbers to figure she won the popular vote.

She didn't concede because she is leveraging for a VP spot. If she wanted it she should have come to the table with a deal when it was clear from the math she wasn't going to be able to win and that was over a month ago. She doesn't have any leverage now but she's acting as if she does because that gives her leverage on some level. Clear as mud? :lol:

She doesn't have the numbers, he does, she has lost. She's lost whether she concedes or not.

[Cadam]

I don't think you are missing anything. There is a slight possibility of delegates changing their minds..... basically she is grasping for straws (or digging up bribes and blackmail?- who knows!) Yes, she will look foolish but this is her last chance so she is going to bleed it for all it's worth.

Oh, and there is no way in %$&* that He will give her the VP spot! It would be political suicide.

[Mrs Mungo]

I don't think you are missing anything. There is a slight possibility of delegates changing their minds..... basically she is grasping for straws (or digging up bribes and blackmail?- who knows!) Yes, she will look foolish but this is her last chance so she is going to bleed it for all it's worth.

No, she doesn't have enough *pledged* delegates to get the nomination, he's leading *by far* in *pledged* delegates. She *cannot* win.

[RebeccaC]

No it has nothing to do with VP spot or getting her debt paid at all....... you see her great great great was a snapping turtle and once they bite down they don't let go fro 100 years or maybe it was her great great great was a bull dog and they don't let go unless hit by lightening or maybe.... OK I have had way to much allergy meds today :lol:

[beansprouts]

you see her great great great was a snapping turtle ...

For a moment there I thought you were going to relate the story of "Yertle the Turtle" :lol:

[Alenee]

Can someone explain to me why this is her last chance? I really don't want her in so I haven't given her any of my research time... it seems I've missed something here. She's so young. Why would this be it for her?

And why wasn't Obama on the Michigan ticket?

[Mrs Mungo]

Can someone explain to me why this is her last chance? I really don't want her in so I haven't given her any of my research time... it seems I've missed something here. She's so young. Why would this be it for her?

Oh, I don't think this is it for her but that's just me. :)

And why wasn't Obama on the Michigan ticket?

Michigan and Florida moved their election up earlier than DNC rules allowed. They were warned ahead of time that their delegates wouldn't count if they did so. The DNC asked the candidates to remove their names from the ballot. All of the candidates except Clinton removed their name from the Michigan ballot but I think it was too late for them to remove their names from the Florida ballot (if I recall this correctly). Clinton was the only candidate on the ballot in Michigan as a result.

[Kinsa]

Can someone explain to me why this is her last chance? I really don't want her in so I haven't given her any of my research time... it seems I've missed something here. She's so young. Why would this be it for her?

And why wasn't Obama on the Michigan ticket?

I'm not politcally savvy, but I think this would be her last chance because if she tried to run again, she would be remembered as a "loser" from this race. It's the same reason why Al Gore will never win the presidency. His party will never run him again because he will always be remembered as "the one who lost".

[Mrs Mungo]

I'm not politcally savvy, but I think this would be her last chance because if she tried to run again, she would be remembered as a "loser" from this race. It's the same reason why Al Gore will never win the presidency. His party will never run him again because he will always be remembered as "the one who lost".

Nixon won in 1968 after he lost the presidential race in 1960 and even lost the California gubernatorial race in 1962. So, it does happen. I'm just sayin'... :D

[Kinsa]

Nixon won in 1968 after he lost the presidential race in 1960 and even lost the California gubernatorial race in 1962. So, it does happen. I'm just sayin'... :D

Yes, but that was over 40 years ago, and many more voters have entered (and left!) the voting pool since then. This is a new time and age, and I believe that people think differently nowadays. And I'm just sayin'... :tongue_smilie:

[*anj*]

I think that she is trying to create some leverage for herself so that she could get the VP spot. If she "graciously offers" to run as VP (bringing her supporters with her) it would be "ungracious" for him not to accept.

The other thing that she might be considering is to run as an independent. Can you imagine that? Clinton vs. Obama vs. McCain? Who do you think would win that?

In any case she already has a Plan B, Plan C, and so forth. She's a lot smarter than Al Gore, so I don't think she's just hanging on out of stubbornness.

[Shannon831]

Imo, she's switched gears to run for the VP slot. I would be much more impressed with Obama if he didn't choose her. Letting her pressure/push her way into the vp spot would signal a fundamental weakness to me.

[Pam "SFSOM" in TN]

Imo, she's switched gears to run for the VP slot. I would be much more impressed with Obama if he didn't choose her. Letting her pressure/push her way into the vp spot would signal a fundamental weakness to me.

I can't see it happening, honestly.

[Karenciavo]

I can't see it happening, honestly.

You can't see what happening? Obama not choosing her? Obama choosing her? :001_unsure: Don't leave yet.

[Jenny in Atl]

I don't think he will take her for VP (though I'm sure she would like that). I do think she is working behind the scenes for him to help pay off her whopping debt and possibly giving her some future job, maybe a cabinet spot. She did nothing but praise him today during the AIPAC meetings today, so she is just waiting to get all she can out of Obama.

[Kelli in TN]

Imo, she's switched gears to run for the VP slot. I would be much more impressed with Obama if he didn't choose her. Letting her pressure/push her way into the vp spot would signal a fundamental weakness to me.

I have to agree. And if she was on the ticket, what would they do with Bill? He would be hanging around trying to "help" all the time. It would be embarrassing.

[Karenciavo]

I don't think he will take her for VP (though I'm sure she would like that). I do think she is working behind the scenes for him to help pay off her whopping debt and possibly giving her some future job, maybe a cabinet spot. She did nothing but praise him today during the AIPAC meetings today, so she is just waiting to get all she can out of Obama.

Last night it did sound like he was looking forward to working with her in the future, I just wasn't sure at what capacity.

[beansprouts]

Last night it did sound like he was looking forward to working with her in the future, I just wasn't sure at what capacity.

Well, what else would he say??? Can't exactly trash her, he wants to try to win her supporters now. It may have just been a diplomatic response.

[nmoira]

To answer your question...she may not have the delegates; however, she has the popular vote.That depends how it's tallied. Here's just one other interpretation from Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/1/16747/37393). Clinton's math excludes caucus states and gives Obama zero votes for Michigan.

[RebeccaC]

No it has nothing to do with VP spot or getting her debt paid at all....... you see her great great great was a snapping turtle and once they bite down they don't let go fro 100 years or maybe it was her great great great was a bull dog and they don't let go unless hit by lightening or maybe.... OK I have had way to much allergy meds today :lol:

To what ever Clinton supporter that I offended, I am sorry I did not mean to be rude just trying to be lighthearted and yes I will lay off the allergy meds when my ear ache is gone, Thank You for your concern :001_huh: I would have sent this sent this apology to you via e-mail but you neglected to leave your name. So I will apologize in public to who ever you maybe :001_smile:


Blessings,
Rebecca

[Julie in Austin]

She's probably staying in just in case Obama makes a horrible blunder (Ross Perot's rape comment comes to mind) or gets assassinated (which Clinton mentioned then apologized for). Then she'd be there to step in.

[Pam "SFSOM" in TN]

You can't see what happening? Obama not choosing her? Obama choosing her? :001_unsure: Don't leave yet.

I can't see him choosing her for VP.

[unsinkable]

There is a rumor about a Michele Obama tape out there...

Is Mrs. Obama a 1 L or 2 L Michele?

[kalanamak]

I actually listened to op-ed about this and more than one pundit thought there was a tremendous amount of behind the scenes negotiation for integrating her network/people into his campaign. Why that meant not yet conceding I don't know, but they made it sound reasonable.

[nmoira]

I can't see him choosing her for VP.I'd think, after some of the things she'd intimated about him, that would be the case... but you never know.