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KristineIN
01-24-2008, 09:27 AM
I have a disapproving reputation, a message was left but no name. Just curious if you give people disapproving reputation, and if you do, do you do it because you don't like the person? or just really don't approve? Even if I don't approve, I'm not going to single a person out and give them disapproving reputation, to me it's just being negative. If you leave a disapproving reputation, do you leave your name? What about positive reputation, do you leave your name then?

Anyone else have a disapproving reputation?
Knowing me, this came across wrong and I'll get a few more after this thread. Oh well!

Kristine

kalanamak
01-24-2008, 09:30 AM
Shades of Junior High! Ugh.

GreenKitty
01-24-2008, 09:32 AM
No, I have not. That part just seems like it would be passing around negativity. Too bad it's not just for the sale/swap board, that would make more sense?

I do like when people leave their name, that way I can give them one too.:)

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 09:33 AM
did you only used to be able to leave approving reputation. I only used it twice in the first day, and it never gave me an option to leave messages or disapprove.

Lisa at Home
01-24-2008, 09:36 AM
:(

I'm sorry someone did that to you. By the way, where does one look to find this "unapproval" mark?

~Lisa

Andie
01-24-2008, 09:37 AM
I have a disapproving reputation, a message was left but no name. Just curious if you give people disapproving reputation, and if you do, do you do it because you don't like the person? or just really don't approve? Even if I don't approve, I'm not going to single a person out and give them disapproving reputation, to me it's just being negative. If you leave a disapproving reputation, do you leave your name? What about positive reputation, do you leave your name then?

Anyone else have a disapproving reputation?
Knowing me, this came across wrong and I'll get a few more after this thread. Oh well!

Kristine

When I scroll over your green thingy (?!) it says you're on a distinguished road. Am I missing something?

I clicked on the scales once, on JudoMom's post, I think, just to see what they did. :) It asked if I approved or disapproved of this post, and gave me a space to leave a message.

Good grief. Now I'm worried I have a bad reputation and don't know it. ;)

I really think that function is......stupid. *gasp*

stephanie
01-24-2008, 09:38 AM
I have a disapproving reputation, a message was left but no name. Just curious if you give people disapproving reputation, and if you do, do you do it because you don't like the person? or just really don't approve? Even if I don't approve, I'm not going to single a person out and give them disapproving reputation, to me it's just being negative. If you leave a disapproving reputation, do you leave your name? What about positive reputation, do you leave your name then?

Anyone else have a disapproving reputation?
Knowing me, this came across wrong and I'll get a few more after this thread. Oh well!

Kristine

How do you know it you have one? I've never heard of this before. What's the point to it all? It sounds kind of mean to me,but maybe I'm confused.

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 09:38 AM
Okay, I just checked my CP, and I have a list of them with messages, but they don't say if they are positive or negative (they all say basically "thank you" so I am assuming they are positive?) There are no names, just the thread it came from...

Rhonda@LivingWater
01-24-2008, 09:38 AM
And NO WAY I would do it, not for any reason! How in the world do you know if you got one anyway? I like these boards but I don't think I like that aspect of it. :(JMHO.

KristineIN
01-24-2008, 09:39 AM
If you click on your user control panel, it should show up on the first page. That's the only reason I knew. I also have a neutral (or a blue box) not sure what that's about either.
Thanks everyone for the positive comments!
Kristine

shell in SC
01-24-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm not sure how this works, so this may not make sense, but if we all approved of your reputation would enough good marks outweigh a bad mark? This could be our project for the day. . .give Kristine her good reputation back!!

shell

Karenciavo
01-24-2008, 09:43 AM
No big deal Kristine, some people are easily offended.

Andie
01-24-2008, 09:44 AM
If you click on your user control panel, it should show up on the first page. That's the only reason I knew. I also have a neutral (or a blue box) not sure what that's about either.
Thanks everyone for the positive comments!
Kristine

I just found mine. I have points! Clicks! Whatever. And someone said I "rock". Thank you, whoever you are! (They don't give names!) I feel special.

*ahem* Disclaimer: I still think the feature is (I'm going to say a bad word, here!) stupid, and I'm sure I'll have worse to say if I get a bad click. :eek:

KristineIN
01-24-2008, 09:46 AM
I'm not sure how this works, so this may not make sense, but if we all approved of your reputation would enough good marks outweigh a bad mark? This could be our project for the day. . .give Kristine her good reputation back!!

shell

I really didn't think I had a reputation to begin with. I surely didn't have a reputation in my youth. I only had a good and a bad rep (in my control panel), so it kind of balances out right?

Kristine

Jenn in Mo
01-24-2008, 09:47 AM
You have no idea how tempting it is to leave you bad reputation just to see your reaction. How fun is that? But I'll settle for positive feedback with a note calling you stupid. But you know I love ya.

Jenn in Mo
01-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Ack!!!! That was supposed to go under Andie. Andie knows my sense of humor. Kristin, I am NOT calling YOU stupid! Honest!

*blushing*

Andie
01-24-2008, 09:48 AM
You have no idea how tempting it is to leave you bad reputation just to see your reaction. How fun is that? But I'll settle for positive feedback with a note calling you stupid. But you know I love ya.

I thought to myself, Jenn or Courtney. It'll be Jenn or Courtney. :P

Scarlett
01-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Hmmm......I just checked my CP and someone had left me a 'good' comment. No name though. And now it says I have 10 points. I wonder what the points will be used for? The only reason I can think this feature might actually work is to keep people from saying ugly things.....but then again those people wouldn't care if they got negative feedback anyway. (and Kristine I'm not saying you said anything worthy of negative feedback---what thread did they reference on you?)

Andie
01-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Ack!!!! That was supposed to go under Andie. Andie knows my sense of humor. Kristin, I am NOT calling YOU stupid! Honest!

*blushing*

ROFL!

I don't have it threaded or whatever it's called so I didn't realize it.

Bwahahahaha.

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 09:55 AM
And now it says I have 10 points.

The points are wierd - I have had 10 points all along, before I had reputation and even now with some. I wonder if we all get 10 to start with?

Scarlett
01-24-2008, 09:56 AM
The points are wierd - I have had 10 points all along, before I had reputation and even now with some. I wonder if we all get 10 to start with?


Ok, now I'm sad. ;) I thought I was special.

KristineIN
01-24-2008, 10:00 AM
Hmmm......I just checked my CP and someone had left me a 'good' comment. No name though. And now it says I have 10 points. I wonder what the points will be used for? The only reason I can think this feature might actually work is to keep people from saying ugly things.....but then again those people wouldn't care if they got negative feedback anyway. (and Kristine I'm not saying you said anything worthy of negative feedback---what thread did they reference on you?)

It was this thread, it was early on, it was the one where I put that I was sorry so many people were upset with the new boards.

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6117#post6117

This is the comment that the person left: admonishments not needed
So anyway, someone posted it and they know who they are!

Kristine

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 10:00 AM
Ok, now I'm sad. ;) I thought I was special.

Sorry, Scarlett - how about a little positive feedback to make up for stomping through your flower garden? ;)

Virginia Dawn
01-24-2008, 10:01 AM
When I go into my control panel, I can't find a single thing about reputation. Does that mean I'm invisible? ;)

Lux Et Veritas Academy
01-24-2008, 10:03 AM
That is just ridiculous! That shouldn't even be on here!:mad:

KH_
01-24-2008, 10:04 AM
When I go into my control panel, I can't find a single thing about reputation. Does that mean I'm invisible? ;)

Me neither . . .

Dot
01-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Same here.

readwithem
01-24-2008, 10:06 AM
It was this thread, it was early on, it was the one where I put that I was sorry so many people were upset with the new boards.

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6117#post6117

This is the comment that the person left: admonishments not needed
So anyway, someone posted it and they know who they are!

Kristine

That's pretty ironic - that person found something they liked about the new boards :) I'm sorry that happened as well. Better to do that type of communication in a PM.

I didn't even know the boards had that feature. As many have said, the new boards are similar to SL (I've even forgotten which board I had up when I've been away from the computer for awhile - they look so much alike!). But as far as I know, SL doesn't have the "reputation" feature.

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 10:07 AM
KH and Virginia Dawn,

Try going into your CP again...

KristineIN
01-24-2008, 10:07 AM
ROFL!

I don't have it threaded or whatever it's called so I didn't realize it.

Bwahahahaha.

I don't have mine threaded either, I usually just hit reply at the last thread, or hit quote if I want to spin off of that thread.

Kristine

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 10:08 AM
That's pretty ironic - that person found something they liked about the new boards :)

Bwahahaha :D

Try yours again, too, Dot...

KH_
01-24-2008, 10:10 AM
KH and Virginia Dawn,

Try going into your CP again...

LOL - thanks!! :)

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 10:11 AM
OK, I've been shut down - it yelled at me for giving out too much reputation in a 24 hour period. :)

KristineIN
01-24-2008, 10:13 AM
That's pretty ironic - that person found something they liked about the new boards :) I'm sorry that happened as well. Better to do that type of communication in a PM.

I didn't even know the boards had that feature. As many have said, the new boards are similar to SL (I've even forgotten which board I had up when I've been away from the computer for awhile - they look so much alike!). But as far as I know, SL doesn't have the "reputation" feature.


Does Sonlight charge now? I used to be on their boards before they switched over but can't remember why I left, was it because they started charging?

TIA,
Kristine

Andie
01-24-2008, 10:14 AM
OK, I've been shut down - it yelled at me for giving out too much reputation in a 24 hour period. :)

LOL!

That'll be quite enough nice outta YOU, lady!

At least, I'm assuming it was nice. ;)

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 10:18 AM
LOL!

That'll be quite enough nice outta YOU, lady!

At least, I'm assuming it was nice. ;)

You'll find out in 24 hours. ;)

JudoMom
01-24-2008, 10:20 AM
I thought to myself, Jenn or Courtney. It'll be Jenn or Courtney. :P

Hey! How'd I get dragged into this?!?! I've just been running and looking for a coffee maker! Can't I leave the boards for even 30 minutes without getting into trouble?!?! Of all the nerve....:D

Pamela H in Texas
01-24-2008, 10:20 AM
I wouldn't approve or not approve someone or their post past putting my opinion in the reply box.

readwithem
01-24-2008, 10:37 AM
Does Sonlight charge now?

TIA,
Kristine

They charge if you haven't made enough purchases or something. I've bought 5 years of their products so I'm a member for life (no charge) or something like that.

The irony is I haven't bought anything from them in over 5 years. I wouldn't pay to use their forums. I don't like how they've set it up (to charge people)- and people complained loudly when they made the switch (made WTM's switch seem very tame comparatively) - but just like here it's their playground and they're all nice enough to let us play in it :)

Jackie in AR
01-24-2008, 10:43 AM
. . . and people complained loudly when they made the switch (made WTM's switch seem very tame comparatively) - but just like here it's their playground and they're all nice enough to let us play in it :)

Yep, yep, yep. The complaining on the SL boards was something to behold. :(

Great point about SWB being nice enough to provide all this free of charge.

I really appreciate that.

Scarlett
01-24-2008, 10:43 AM
Sorry, Scarlett - how about a little positive feedback to make up for stomping through your flower garden? ;)

LOL. Thanks Angela. Now I have 3 comments and 12 points...maybe we get 10 to start and 1 per comment? I don't know. It is all sort of Jr. High like...Isn't it funny how a little part of us never gets over the thrill of someone liking us?

Jackie in AR
01-24-2008, 10:50 AM
This function should be disabled. Shades of Junior High! Ugh.

Maybe the powers that be will give that some consideration.

Susan Wise Bauer
01-24-2008, 10:51 AM
Let me discuss it with the West Coast Powers that Be.

SWB

Herding Cats in NC
01-24-2008, 10:56 AM
Well, this is a new format, so I'd probably just chalk it up to someone testing a feature. Along the lines of "hey, what does this button do?" I can't see why anyone would leave negative feedback. Even if someone disagreed with you there'd be no need for them to do that. By the way - you've got a green box now!

WTMindy
01-24-2008, 10:57 AM
How do you know if you got a positive or negative reputation? I have 4 coversations in my reputation on the control panel, but no comments. It doesn't say good or bad, but none of the comments were things that would warrent a reputation. One was me stating that my worst job was cleaning the bathtub on a post that was about worst jobs.

Rhonda in TX
01-24-2008, 11:05 AM
I was wondering the same thing. I have one thing under "reputation", but there is no comment and I don't know if it's approving or disapproving.

Jackie in AR
01-24-2008, 11:11 AM
. . . It doesn't say good or bad, but none of the comments were things that would warrent a reputation. One was me stating that my worst job was cleaning the bathtub on a post that was about worst jobs.

(((gently))) But, Mindy, that could be offensive to someone who enjoys cleaning their bathtub. Can you not see that?? ;)

DB in NJ
01-24-2008, 12:04 PM
For the life of me, I can't find what on earth you're talking about. There is nothing like this on my User CP page at all. Nothing.

I saw somewhere that I have 10 reputation points, whatever that means.

I'm totally confuddled ;)

stephanie
01-24-2008, 12:10 PM
So what is the deal with the points? I'm feeling like I'm in HS again, waiting to see if I made the Student Council!LOL! If all this matters then I'm trying out for cheerleader in the forums! I'm just trying to make a little humor out of all of this. Hopefully, we can all express our opinions while maintaining respect for each other.:)

Gigi
01-24-2008, 12:26 PM
How do you know if you got a positive or negative reputation? I have 4 coversations in my reputation on the control panel, but no comments. It doesn't say good or bad, but none of the comments were things that would warrent a reputation. One was me stating that my worst job was cleaning the bathtub on a post that was about worst jobs.

Well, I was doing positive reputations to those who I have enjoyed their comments over the years. I didn't even realize it tied into the actual thread. :o I thought the comment area was a third choice. :rolleyes: So maybe it was me :)- who knows. I thought it would send the username along with the positive vote and that it would show up on my control panel as a way to track those you have gotten to know on the board.

DB in NJ
01-24-2008, 12:36 PM
So what is the deal with the points? I'm feeling like I'm in HS again, waiting to see if I made the Student Council!LOL! If all this matters then I'm trying out for cheerleader in the forums! I'm just trying to make a little humor out of all of this. Hopefully, we can all express our opinions while maintaining respect for each other.:)


ROFLOL!!

I had no idea this feature even existed until I saw this thread. So I went to my control panel to see if I could find something, and there's simply nothing there.

Guess that means I didn't make student council :p

Cheer on, Stephanie! LOL

Susan in IL
01-24-2008, 12:37 PM
I go to the cp and I see nothing, no reputation, no points. For fun, I clicked on the scale on a post I made and it said I have 10 points. I can't find that anywhere else. My green box says I am on a distinguished road. What in the heck does that mean?

astrid
01-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Hmmmm......I'll have to go through and read all the threads, but where is this function, and how do you know you've developed "a reputation?" When I look at your post, I see your avatar, your screen name, a green dot which means you're online, and then way over on the right a small green square that says you're on "a distinguished road" when I roll my mouse over it. Is this what you mean? Being "on a distinguished road" seems pretty cool to me! :-)

I'm really trying to get the hang of all these new features---- never knew we had the potential to ruin the reputations of others----- eek! Maybe that feature can be disabled? Doesn't seem like it's a change for the better, IMHO.

Big Hugs, Kristine!

Jeanne in MN
01-24-2008, 12:45 PM
Totally off topic, Kristine, but my dh is also named Jason and we, too, were married in 7/95 and we have one dd ('97) and two sons ('99) in the same order also. :)

Gigi
01-24-2008, 12:46 PM
ROFLOL!!

I had no idea this feature even existed until I saw this thread. So I went to my control panel to see if I could find something, and there's simply nothing there.



You should have something now. :D

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 12:49 PM
I didn't realize that there is a "reputation" function. I can't find mine. I click on User Control Panel and don't see the word reputation anywhere. Does that mean I don't have one...yet?

Jill, OK
01-24-2008, 12:49 PM
I had a reputation comment and didn't know it.

Did you guys see that there's a "Buddy List" and...and "Ignore List", lol?

I've heard folks say from time to time, "Hey, ignore my posts if you don't like them!" I guess they decided to make that a real option, huh? ;o) ("I don't seeee yooouuuu...")

Wow. I think we're all mature enough (mostly) to not let features like that get out of hand...but that could be dangerous.

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 12:51 PM
Jill, where did you find your reputation comments? I'd like to see if I have any. TIA!

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 12:53 PM
Thanks, Gigi! I found the reputation message. :)

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 12:54 PM
Jill, Gigi sent me a reputation message so now I know what one looks like. :)

Jill, OK
01-24-2008, 12:54 PM
I just clicked on "User Control Panel" (upper left corner of the blue bar), and it showed up. Under 'Latest Reputation', or 'Breaking Reputation News', or somesuch. ;o)

And I edited that post; it was ONE reputation comment, lol. Didn't want anyone to think I had an overblown sense of my own importance, there.

JennifersLost
01-24-2008, 12:56 PM
I have one gray box and one blue box. It would help to know what the colors mean, wouldn't it?

No one commented, though.

Liz CA
01-24-2008, 12:57 PM
I just tried to find this feature in CP and all that came up is *11 points* but no comments I can see.
How extraordinarily weird!
I agree with the other posters - we don't need a *reputation* option.
Even though assuming that we are all adults on this forum, this feature seems to invite abuse.

Just disregard it. I have never checked anyone's reputation before reading or replying to their posts!

Tammyla
01-24-2008, 12:58 PM
:confused:

j.griff
01-24-2008, 12:58 PM
Interesting. I opened a thread yesterday and was just randomly giving everyone in it positive feedback (I approved everyones post, LOL) but I didn't leave any comments. Then suddenly when I clicked on someones post scale thingy, it told me that I had given out too much reputation and I have to wait another 24 hours before I can give more. I was rolling my eyes and LOL. Sillyness. I did NOT disapprove of anyone's post though. (well, not intentionally, I suppose it is possible that I could have accidentally got click happy and clicked negative instead of positive for someone, but I didn't leave any comments so that one definitely wasn't me). Happy rating everyone. We should start a thread for "person of the day" and everyone can go leave positive stuff for them, LOL.

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Oh. There are going to be boxes with different colors in them? I have no idea what the colors mean, either. But, hey! I learned something new about this message board today. :)

AudreyTN
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
I was always taught...

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Therefore, I will leave a positive, but not a negative. If I don't like it... then I just won't leave a reputation mark.

Jill, OK
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Serendipity, I sent you an approval message, too, so with that and Gigi's, you should see it clearly.

(Plus, I just wanted to give someone some approval. Just to see what it feels like, lol.)

j.griff
01-24-2008, 01:00 PM
I think it would be helpful to be enabled on the swap board though. :D

Serendipity
01-24-2008, 01:01 PM
I agree. This feature would be *very* helpful on the Sale & Swap Board.

sclisa
01-24-2008, 01:01 PM
Hmmm. I didn't know this feature existed either. There is absolutely nothing relating to my reputation on my CP panel screen. I suppose that means I have no reputation? Is no reputation the same as having no personality?
As my 2-year old would say, "Uh-oh." :)

Lisa

sdWTMer
01-24-2008, 01:10 PM
To me, when I first saw your post in that thread, I thought it was sweet of you!

Hang in there Kristine! :)

Sebastian (a lady)
01-24-2008, 01:30 PM
I have a disapproving reputation, a message was left but no name. Just curious if you give people disapproving reputation, and if you do, do you do it because you don't like the person? or just really don't approve? Even if I don't approve, I'm not going to single a person out and give them disapproving reputation, to me it's just being negative. If you leave a disapproving reputation, do you leave your name? What about positive reputation, do you leave your name then?

Anyone else have a disapproving reputation?
Knowing me, this came across wrong and I'll get a few more after this thread. Oh well!

Kristine

I was looking at this feature more as a way of rating individuals or messages who had been particularly helpful. Someone who had written a message that was detailed, brought new information, gave additional references etc. And there was part of one thread that I gave serious thought to giving a negative mark. Where someone gave a very authoritative statement that I considered to be naive, if not just wrong.

I think I was looking at it more like the "was this review helpful" buttons that amazon uses. Not a reflection on the person, but a reflection on the post.

But if the function goes away, I'm not going to sit around wishing it were back.

Susan in IL
01-24-2008, 02:25 PM
Thanks! Now I see it and the comments.

Kristafish
01-24-2008, 02:45 PM
I don't see anything under my CP button so I guess I don't really know what you are talking about..
Not sure I want to see anything under my CP button either~sounds scary :D LOL

Virginia Dawn
01-24-2008, 02:51 PM
You like me! You really like me! ;)

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 03:08 PM
Here's a link to a thread w/ a good explanation as well as my experiences and some thoughts about the whole reputation thing:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=933&highlight=reputation

as for it being "too high schoolish" --well, I disagree.
In *Real Life* you DO build a reputation: based on things people have done and how others have publicly reacted to it. A reputation *is* something to be taken seriously. And since we don't have a lasting way to track accountability, the rep feature is one way to do that. Considering the anonymous nature of the internet, something intentional and permanent can be Very Helpful.

i do agree that many people will react in a high school manner, but I don't think that makes the process/tool itself one that is highschoolish. On the contrary, as you pointed out w/ the sale and swap board, the reputation becomes very important. Since we can't judge too many people based soley on a couple posts on the S&S board, it only seems prudent to include their entire activity on the forums --where they have a greater opportunity to BUILD a rep. I had no qualms purchasing a cd from Colleen last year because even tho she doesn't sell a bunch of stuff, *I* knew her from her history on the boards :cool: --but other people who don't follow the boards wouldn't know she is a trusted poster. Restricting reps to 'sale experiences only' will limit the pool of information.

I haven't left any negative comments, but I think I absolutely would leave a negative comment if I thought the person was intentionally being a total jerk.
I probably would NOT leave my name because --as mentioned above-- people WILL react in a highschoolish manner and retaliate just out of spite.
And maybe getting a bad rep click will make a bigger impression on people like me who tend to open our mouths and let our brains roll out w/ quite a hefty bit of sarcasm in the mix. :eek:

I believe naive or incorrect posts should receive a public response pointing out why you think those are naive or wrong. I think the reputation should be reserved for noting how well one responds to a situation, not necessarily whether they are always right ;-)

I have doled out reputation points in the last few days to people i already knew from the old boards. I am now going through the members list and contributing rep clicks based solely on whether i thought the poster has offered meaningful info or not --not based just on a bunch of cutesy replies, hee hee.

i do encourage y'all to do the same -- but this is coming from someone who was dragged here kicking and screaming about the board format and who doesn't have a lot of experience w/ this format, lol.

LG Gone Wild
01-24-2008, 03:16 PM
Some one please explain that whole reputation game. If it is some rating system for posts, why bother?

jellybean
01-24-2008, 03:16 PM
great advice ~peek!!

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 03:19 PM
Some one please explain that whole reputation game. If it is some rating system for posts, why bother?

{{i posted just above you, LG :)}}

Robin in Tx
01-24-2008, 03:30 PM
Could it be a useful to leave just the "approval" feature, and not the "disapproval"? Overall, I don't like the feature, but I *do* like the idea of being able to recognize at a glance which posters are the most reliable re: good advice. The first day here, I added to the reputation of Jean in Wisc., because I wanted others to know that she is someone whose advice I consider trustworthy.

In my dream cyber world, we would be able to add to the the reputation of someone like this, and we would be required to leave a comment as to why we are doing so, and those comments would be viewable by all members (so that we can wade through popularity votes that don't have anything to do with the credibility of the poster). Also, I would display the member's name who added the comment.

Doesn't SL have a way of identifying the more experienced users/posters? It's not just who has posted the most. Maybe it's controlled from the admin side (like y'all need more to do! LOL).

Just a thought.



Robin

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Could it be a useful to leave just the "approval" feature, and not the "disapproval"?


i think that would strip away the actual effectiveness of the tool. In Real Life, your reputation has positive AND negative consequences. I'll go out on a philosophical ledge here: I think that extending only half the equation [positive] and witholding the other half [negative] is a great theory and sounds wonderful and compassionate, but ignores how things really work. Removing the reality from a situation doesn't make it work better in my experience;)


**i thought i posted this reply already, but it never showed up. i wonder if I'll find it in another thread, lol!!!

Robin in Tx
01-24-2008, 04:38 PM
I see what you mean. I don't know... maybe it would be good to let the feature stand AS LONG AS the commenter's name shows up (i.e. no negative anonymous comments).

Regardless, I still wish there was a way for the board community to recognize the input/reputation of long time posters who consistently give good advice (like Jean). For a newcomer, it would be helpful to sort through all the posters, and know who really is speaking from experience, etc. Of course, this wouldn't matter on the gen board as much as it would matter on the curriculum boards. I'm only talking about h.s. experience (and WTM/classical experience). Not necessarily who the chicken expert is (wouldn't that be Doran? :) )

Jean in Newcastle
01-24-2008, 04:51 PM
You know, while I definitely see the advantage of a reputation on the sale/swap board. I still have a hard time with it on the general board. I guess I see this as a refuge when I'm having an off day or when my real life is falling apart. I don't want to be judged because a comment I made was inane or because my cleaning tip wasn't as good as someone else's. I can see that if someone is constantly "flaming" others that that person might "deserve" a bad mark. But the truth is that people who frequent this board get a reputation for how they interact anyway (how else would Jean in Wisc. be already known for giving good advice!) And someone who is combative etc. gets a reputation for that. For that reason I think having the ability to "ignore" some people's posts might be beneficial - though I tend to do that by just glossing over what they've written.

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 04:52 PM
I see what you mean. I don't know... maybe it would be good to let the feature stand AS LONG AS the commenter's name shows up (i.e. no negative anonymous comments).
... I'm only talking about h.s. experience (and WTM/classical experience). Not necessarily who the chicken expert is (wouldn't that be Doran? :) )

...and you are right --while I would not leave negative comments w/ my name attached as it stands now, we would have to be very sure of leaving a negative comment if we know our name will be attached. It would certainly make people think thrice about leaving negative comment.

Since I know i would offer rep for posts that are not only HS/WTM but also simply well written or encouraging/informative, then we would end up w/ reputation based on a variety of reasons. And I think that's good too.:D

Scarlett
01-24-2008, 04:56 PM
For that reason I think having the ability to "ignore" some people's posts might be beneficial - though I tend to do that by just glossing over what they've written.

This feature is available on this board. I've never used it on any board before. Like you I just ignore the trouble makers IF I have the will power. I've let myself be sucked in a few times. I always regret it.

Myrtle
01-24-2008, 05:21 PM
The way the rep points work is that some people have more rep power than others. People with a higher rep give higher rep. (and if you want to see who has the most rep go to the members list, click on rep, and it will reorganized the members according to who has the most rep, admins on top)

It's not clear to me that someone with a higher rep is really the person with the best advice on any particular topic. They get their rep from "the masses," what we need are philosopher kings giving rep...per topic, not just in general. (Someone with high rep doesn't necessarily have good advice about coffee makers or even Greek textbooks.) In real life public schools get high rep from families of the students, all the public schools are above average.

Another analogy is student evaluations. Students don't recognize the best and most knowledgeable professors, they rep the "nice" ones.

Other sites say that admin can set everyone's rep power to zero. If that were to happen the "rep" message really amounts to a private thumbs up/down.

Kathy in MD
01-24-2008, 05:21 PM
itself. It should be in an area where other readers can read the opposing viewpoints and judge for themselves. It also gives the original poster a chance to clarify or correct her post.

I think a bad reputation post should be limited to the Sale & Swap board.

JennifersLost
01-24-2008, 05:44 PM
I have two definite approval comments - one has a green box and another has a gray box. What does that mean?

Does that mean the green box person is online right now? Why would it tell me that if I can't see who it is????

Mama Lynx
01-24-2008, 05:50 PM
I've got some reps ... some green squares, some gray. Are the gray ones the nasties?

angela in ohio
01-24-2008, 05:56 PM
I think the green ones are postitive and the gray are neutral. I don't know how the negatives work (yet... don't anyone try it out on me, LOL...) I think you earn the right to give pos vs. neg as you move up levels someohow. At first, I could only give general rep, then I could choose pos vs. neg and leave a comment. I have some from people who must only be able to give it in general, because it is a gray box, and then some from people who were able to give me pos, as it is a green box. Only the green boxes added a point.

That's just my theory...

It won't let me give it to the same person more than once (in a day? I think), and it cut me off when I was slinging rep around earlier in the thread. :)

Myrtle
01-24-2008, 05:59 PM
Oh very funny.

Someone repped me for dissing reps.


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/Carrie3d/d54dc14a.jpg?t=1201211907

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 06:12 PM
Oh very funny.

Someone repped me for dissing reps.

Ok, I *know* that giving out reps for something like that is oh so petty, but I was literally laughing out loud at how you posted about it!!:D
You just got moved up on my "whom to rep when my 24 hours is up" list, lol.

love the cookie -- my ds wrote up an index card that on one side said:

The statement on the other side of this card is true;

and on the other side--

The statement on the other side of this card is false.

sdWTMer
01-24-2008, 06:15 PM
boxes myself! I have 2 of them. Hmmm. :confused:

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 06:21 PM
I think the green ones are postitive and the gray are neutral. I don't know how the negatives work (yet... don't anyone try it out on me, LOL...) I think you earn the right to give pos vs. neg as you move up levels someohow. At first, I could only give general rep, then I could choose pos vs. neg and leave a comment. I have some from people who must only be able to give it in general, because it is a gray box, and then some from people who were able to give me pos, as it is a green box. Only the green boxes added a point.

That's just my theory...

It won't let me give it to the same person more than once (in a day? I think), and it cut me off when I was slinging rep around earlier in the thread. :)


"slinging rep around" LOL!

It's making me wait several days before adding more rep to a member.

i think i agree w/ your theory --I had forgotten that the option for adding rep had increased to a comments box. I'll bet you're right cuz I have a couple positive comments but gray boxes. I'm thinking the gray boxes might not "count" towards your rep, but count towards giving the one who rep'd you actual rep power. i wasn't paying close enough attention to my "rep points" to draw an accurate conclusion though, and it doesn't list the whole history of your rep earned. I sure wish they would explain more about the how's and why's.....:cool:

GothicGyrl
01-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Stupid is as stupid does--that is, if someone is going to be stupid enough to give out negative points just because someone disagrees with you, well--they are stupid. :)

Me, personally, I'm just gonna call you out on the carpet in the thread. I don't waste time with anonymous posts or reputation points. And if I get negative points for calling you out, well, I earned them baby. :)

That said, I've now got 5 messages, all positive but only 10 points.. dunno how the points work, but meh.. don't care. I think I wanna go on record and see how many negative points I can get--I like to be different that way. :)

***ahem Peek, you might want to check your rep...****:)

For the record, I've only given one person points, positive, early on... I dunno how I'm racking these up.

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 06:39 PM
***ahem Peek, you might want to check your rep...****:)



ROTFLOL! and I'm *still* at the top:p
What goes around comes around chickie-poo, heh heh heh.....:cool:

GothicGyrl
01-24-2008, 06:41 PM
I told you, I'm collecting negative rep points.... what makes you think I want to be at the top with you? It's much more fun ruling from down under--I get to poke more people. :)

j.griff
01-24-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't understand the boxes changing colors either.

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 06:43 PM
when I was slinging rep around

OOOH!! oooh! ooooh! I just had an idea!

so can we call "slinging rep" .........

SliRPing??

lol.....

or does it already have a name?

the little slirp......

Mama Lynx
01-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Oh, okay, good. I couldn't figure out how I could have offended anyone yet. The day is young, lol.

I like the feature. I think that if we don't get ridiculous and *treat* it like Jr. High, it doesn't have to be. It can be very useful. Slashdot uses a similar system, doesn't it?

I think that when you give rep for a Sale/Swap post, you really should leave your name, or at the very least a detailed comment. I want to be able to know clearly when rep is for a Sale/Swap transaction.

Jennifer
01-24-2008, 06:49 PM
I haven't figured that out. I just now found the scales y'all were referring to.
Jennifer

Peek a Boo
01-24-2008, 06:52 PM
I told you, I'm collecting negative rep points.... what makes you think I want to be at the top with you? It's much more fun ruling from down under--I get to poke more people. :)

hee hee- But you're not AT the bottom! HA!!

even w/ negative reps you're still in the middle...and you WERE towards the top originally :-) you'll probably end up w/ MORE positive rep as the forum stabilizes and people get the hang of the rep feature. You might be snarky but you're still cool... :cool: And I will return to my moderate posting status [and thus retreat into regular reps] instead of this posting frenzy as i acclimate to the new forum.....

it'll all even out :)

Mama Lynx
01-24-2008, 06:53 PM
I told you, I'm collecting negative rep points.... what makes you think I want to be at the top with you? It's much more fun ruling from down under--I get to poke more people. :)

There's a quote somewhere ... something like "If you don't have enemies, you've never taken a stand."

Ms. Riding Hood
01-24-2008, 06:56 PM
OT--I just luuuuv Granny Clampett and the quote about the possum. And I come from a place where they eat it. "Fingerlickingood!" :D

GothicGyrl
01-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Alright, explain it to me Peek, cuz all I see is 10 points and 5 messages.. I don't see anywhere telling me what's negative and what isn't.. where are you seeing this?

Jenn in Mo
01-24-2008, 07:12 PM
OT--I just luuuuv Granny Clampett and the quote about the possum. And I come from a place where they eat it. "Fingerlickingood!" :D

We love the Beverly Hillbillies. It's my 4 year old's favorite dvd. She calls it "the Silly Granny show".

TCoppock
01-24-2008, 08:13 PM
I think that when you give rep for a Sale/Swap post, you really should leave your name, or at the very least a detailed comment. I want to be able to know clearly when rep is for a Sale/Swap transaction.

I agree that it should say where you recieved your rep from. Honestly there are people that are nice to chat with but slow to do business with and vise versa. If there is going to be rep then I hope we can see who and where it is from and then judge for oursleves based on that.

Patty Joanna
01-24-2008, 08:14 PM
I don't like the reputation thing because it feeds into my sinful self, wanting to be "approved".

(Heck, I get a thrill at the store when my credit card swipe produces the word "VALIDATED"--often, I jump in the air and sing out, "I've been VALIDATED!!!")

A long time ago, on a message board far, far away, I decided that I wasn't going to be false on the boards (as part of not being false in life); the reputation rating could actually make it easier for me to shade my posts to gain approval (especially from Those Who Are Most Approved, but that would shatter my integrity... I am not blaming the feature; it's my problem. But the feature makes it easier to give in to a way of being I don't want to be.

So...I've made up my mind not to LOOK at Reputation stuff that comes my way (so as to keep myself away from that temptation). And to tell the truth, if my Little Green Block turned black, it would make me very sad, and might turn me away from the boards all together.

I think there is very likely a place for it on the Sale/Swap Board, but even that has to be watched. eBay can tell you all about that.

That's my two cents.

WTMindy
01-24-2008, 08:20 PM
I don't like the reputation thing because it feeds into my sinful self, wanting to be "approved".

(Heck, I get a thrill at the store when my credit card swipe produces the word "VALIDATED"--often, I jump in the air and sing out, "I've been VALIDATED!!!")

.
I approve of you, my dear!!!

Patty Joanna
01-24-2008, 08:23 PM
You wouldn't if you were grocery shopping with me.

Oh well. I figure it gives the kid a workout, all that sprinting to get away, far away, from that crazy lady. He needs the exercize. Bah.

(You are a very kind friend, Mindy. Thank you. Today, I need that!)

WTMindy
01-24-2008, 08:25 PM
You wouldn't if you were grocery shopping with me.

Oh well. I figure it gives the kid a workout, all that sprinting to get away, far away, from that crazy lady. He needs the exercize. Bah.

(You are a very kind friend, Mindy. Thank you. Today, I need that!)

All bets are off at the grocery store.

I'm just being silly here, trying to get to nurse-bee status. I guess I need to be validated too.:cool:

Patty Joanna
01-24-2008, 08:30 PM
DANG! I just got to worker bee!
If you are Nurse Bee, do you have to give other bees shots? Take their blood pressure? I never was good at that stuff.

Mrs Mungo
01-24-2008, 08:32 PM
I never have on this forum but I did on another forum that included a debate and swap board. Some people were bad swappers or got unnecessarily nasty during debates and I'd give them bad reputation for those things, whether I liked them on a personal level or not.

LG Gone Wild
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Ahhhh!!! It appears this grasshopper has much to learn.

Jenn in Mo
01-24-2008, 09:44 PM
I don't like the reputation thing because it feeds into my sinful self, wanting to be "approved".

Yup - this is me. I'm so glad I'm not alone. I have no idea why it matters so much, but I quickly slip into this line of thinking.

mcconnellboys
01-24-2008, 09:48 PM
I just did a test. See if you get mine. I don't know how you'd be able to do one anonymously. Maybe someone was just testing and did it accidentally. I think we're all still playing with the buttons, LOL.....

Regena

mcconnellboys
01-24-2008, 09:53 PM
Hey, I LOVE this little feature and I've been using the heck out of it! It gives me a private way to say thanks and hang in there to folks.

Don't get rid of it. But make anyone who might use it to post disapproval accountable for what they say.

In my control panel, all these posts I've gotten show the poster's name. When you click on the scales, it doesn't give you the option to sign or not sign, so I would think when you click on 'submit' that your name gets added automatically......

Regena

mcconnellboys
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
All my boxes except a couple are grey. But they are still positive comments, so I don't think that's bad.....

Regena

mcconnellboys
01-24-2008, 10:38 PM
I'm wrong! I can just tell who posted in reply to me by what they said and some signed their names. If there was a feature that would automatically post your moniker along with your comment, it would keep people accountable.

Regena

Robin in Tx
01-24-2008, 11:35 PM
the truth is that people who frequent this board get a reputation for how they interact anyway (how else would Jean in Wisc. be already known for giving good advice!)


I was thinking more for the benefit of newcomers, on the curriculum boards. I thought SL did something like this, but I might have been mistaken.

It would be nice to be able to do something like that, but it's not worth the aggravation of people misuing the feature. I agree with you on that.

Robin

Peek a Boo
01-25-2008, 12:37 AM
Alright, explain it to me Peek, cuz all I see is 10 points and 5 messages.. I don't see anywhere telling me what's negative and what isn't.. where are you seeing this?

A negative will be RED --as you demonstrated for me, lol.
It will tell you how many points you have, but only displays the last 5 received. So unless you are keeping track elsewhere it would be difficult to follow. I'm now completely lost about the green vs gray boxes --i have a gray box or two w/ positive comments, so I'll be interested to see why they are gray and not green or red.

On the Members List, click on "Reputation" and it will re-sort the list to show who's got the highest. Members are shown from highest to lowest, and where they are tied it is listed in alphabetical order. Right now, Kristine is at the top. We don't know if it's because she has as many or more points as I do, cuz P comes after K :-)

Then you got Andie, JennifersLost, Judomom, and Remudamom. Again, we don't know if any of those 4 are tied --they very well could all be one less than the previous. But Remudamom has more points than Amy in Orlando because it breaks from the alphabetical listing.

Amy in Orlando to Virginia Dawn are all either tied or just happen to have points that place them in alphabetical order.

ArwenA to sclisa --same thing. either tied or "just happen" to be in alphabetical order. You are in that group. Since all these groups are "above" the rest of the crowd, you obviously have more than most members, which means you have received positive feedback. The rep thing is still pretty new --just one or two points makes quite a bit of difference right now. Later on that won't be as important.

Anyway, there's a long windy explanation why i KNOW you have some great feedback. And I also know because you were one of the first ones I rep'd ;-P

HTH!

WTMindy
01-25-2008, 12:44 AM
I get the green/red thing. That makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is the gray box because it is on really random posts that I made. Nothing that would (seemingly) cause someone to even think about it twice. There are no comments associated with the gray boxes, just the one green one (thank you Andie.) I'd love to get to the bottom of how those got there.

Colleen
01-25-2008, 01:09 AM
I'm surprised this feature was even included here from the get-go. It holds zero meaning for me ~ although it can be useful for buying/selling if people include comments to explain themselves. Particularly without explanatory comments, the system serves no purpose. As an example, one person found a post I wrote earlier today positive and another found the same post negative. Okay. Ho hum. Why is that interesting or useful information?

As for giving positive ratings to people whose advice we particularly value, I don't see a purpose there either. I assume we form our own opinions with regard to each member's persona and advice ~ not listen more or less closely based on whether others like what they have to say.

gardenschooler
01-25-2008, 01:18 AM
I was wondering about this, because the gray boxes don't seem to change my points. It's hard to tell if they're negative or positive - one of mine doesn't have a comment at all. I'm guessing it's negative, because I was trying to be helpful in that thread, but soon realized I had *no idea* what I was talking about, lol. That'll teach me for yammering on. :o

KristineIN
01-25-2008, 10:04 AM
Someone else told me on one of my "reputation comments" that the gray boxes are from people that are new and are not beyond a certain number of posts. So since the board is so new, most people will show up as a gray box. HTH.

Kristine

Scarlett
01-25-2008, 10:07 AM
I'm surprised this feature was even included here from the get-go. It holds zero meaning for me ~ although it can be useful for buying/selling if people include comments to explain themselves.

I'm in this camp. (Except for the tiny part of me that wants people to like me. ;))

MoniMoni
01-25-2008, 10:11 AM
I'm in this camp. (Except for the tiny part of me that wants people to like me. ;))

I agree with Scarlett's agreement. (Even the aside):D

GothicGyrl
01-25-2008, 10:13 AM
It's purely for fun Colleen. Don't want to have fun, don't participate.

And I think I figured out the colors of the boxes. Red=negative, green=good, grey=Neutral or EVEN...

I clicked on one of my posts last night to see and it said this post has an "even" rating. Maybe that's what it means.

Tonia
01-25-2008, 10:20 AM
Someone else told me on one of my "reputation comments" that the gray boxes are from people that are new and are not beyond a certain number of posts. So since the board is so new, most people will show up as a gray box. HTH.

Kristine

That's what I'm thinking too. I've got three reputation comments. Two from users who have less than fifty posts and one from someone with LOTS of posts (thanks GreenKitty!) The only one with a green box is from the person with lots of posts.

And I think I figured out the colors of the boxes. Red=negative, green=good, grey=Neutral or EVEN...

I clicked on one of my posts last night to see and it said this post has an "even" rating. Maybe that's what it means.

But how can someone leave a 'neutral' rating? I only see positive or negative? Am I missing something? :eek:

Kelli in TN
01-25-2008, 10:27 AM
As for giving positive ratings to people whose advice we particularly value, I don't see a purpose there either. I assume we form our own opinions with regard to each member's persona and advice ~ not listen more or less closely based on whether others like what they have to say.


Well, one of those positives was probably from me and it was probably attached to some post that was not particularly meaningful one way or another.

Yesterday I was, how did someone put it? Slinging rep around? I was giving good rep out to everyone I ever liked, until the boards cut off my rep giving powers for the night.:p

It is silly, I know. :)

I do like the smilies though!:D

GreenKitty
01-25-2008, 10:32 AM
:D

Is it entirely unrealistic that I can eventually give everyone on here a positivehttp://easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-jumping-smileys-380.gif (http://easyfreesmileys.com/)

:D



This waiting 24hrs slows me down...also trying to remember who I gave one to already :rolleyes:

angela in ohio
01-25-2008, 12:08 PM
DANG! I just got to worker bee!
If you are Nurse Bee, do you have to give other bees shots? Take their blood pressure? I never was good at that stuff.

If so, I will soon be Fainted Bee... :D

GothicGyrl
01-25-2008, 12:17 PM
But how can someone leave a 'neutral' rating? I only see positive or negative? Am I missing something?

See, I'm not sure either. All I know is when I clicked on one of my posts it said "This post has an EVEN rating".

So I don't know.

Peek a Boo
01-25-2008, 01:40 PM
See, I'm not sure either. All I know is when I clicked on one of my posts it said "This post has an EVEN rating".

So I don't know.

Where are you seeing "This post has an EVEN rating"?? I clicked all over my CP and can't find it.

I'm back to guessing that whether the rating is even or not is a reflection whether the giver has "rep power" yet or not. And I'm still not sure exactly how that's determined ;-)

GothicGyrl
01-25-2008, 03:48 PM
Where are you seeing "This post has an EVEN rating"?? I clicked all over my CP and can't find it.

I'm back to guessing that whether the rating is even or not is a reflection whether the giver has "rep power" yet or not. And I'm still not sure exactly how that's determined ;-)
Click on the scale, just as you would to give rep. If it has been rep'd, then it will say what it was rep'd at...

For example, my post above #130, says:
Reputation
Your reputation on this post is Even.
Comments on this Post
(red square) great
(green square)just pulling you out of the deep dark pits of hell, because you , one rep click at a time, because *you* NEED it.... bwahahaha !! ~Peek a Boo!

You have 12 Reputation point(s).

So, someone gave me a negative rep (red square), but commented that it was "great". And you gave me a green square, with your comment.

Now, if a post hasn't been rep'd, it'll say so.

Now to whomever gave me the negative--You listented to me! You really did! :)

bwhahaha

Peek a Boo
01-25-2008, 03:59 PM
Click on the scale, just as you would to give rep. If it has been rep'd, then it will say what it was rep'd at...

For example, my post above #130, says:

Now, if a post hasn't been rep'd, it'll say so.



ok, so we have to open that particular post when we're logged in to see it. Got it!! cool :-)

TY!!

Colleen
01-25-2008, 08:34 PM
Well, one of those positives was probably from me and it was probably attached to some post that was not particularly meaningful one way or another.

Well, I appreciate that. If I were into slinging rep around, you'd surely get a boost from me.;)

Colleen
01-25-2008, 08:37 PM
It's purely for fun Colleen. Don't want to have fun, don't participate.

I happen to think the feature serves no good purpose. As for "purely for fun", you'll have to tell that to the person who gave me negative feedback and commented "yawn - who cares?" in response to the thoughts I shared about the tax rebate.:rolleyes:

GreenKitty
01-25-2008, 08:59 PM
Yeah, i think it is just for fun prob....though...and sling if you feel necessary...I hope it wasnt I who sent those neg out to you. I just got an IM from someone on here telling me I gave them a neg and I said 'hu'. When my box comes up it has given me only one option and sometimes there is no space to leave anything. So, I just don't get it. Until my computer gets back to 'normal', and btw it is only not normal on this site and ebay. I am not givin reps. I think it is the combination of traffic on this site and our super bad cool security system! I love our security but if anything is questionable in type or picture...well...It blocks it out and I can't see it. So, for those who've I read on here that got a neg I will give you a positive, at the times when this site looks normal on my sceen.

GreenKitty
01-25-2008, 09:02 PM
oh and as for the color of boxes I have no idea as all mine look black to me?

GothicGyrl
01-25-2008, 09:07 PM
I happen to think the feature serves no good purpose. As for "purely for fun", you'll have to tell that to the person who gave me negative feedback and commented "yawn - who cares?" in response to the thoughts I shared about the tax rebate.:rolleyes:
Like I said in the other thread, if they want to be a coward, rest in the fact knowing they are. Let someone leave me a negative for something I said---it meant they read it, they heard it and know where I stand. And again, like the quote says--if I ain't tickin' someone off, I'm not doing my job. :)

Mrs Mungo
02-03-2008, 01:11 AM
I happen to think the feature serves no good purpose. As for "purely for fun", you'll have to tell that to the person who gave me negative feedback and commented "yawn - who cares?" in response to the thoughts I shared about the tax rebate.:rolleyes:

Actually, I just had another thought about this. Another forum I visit has the option to rate a *thread*. Maybe they thought they were rating the thread instead of the poster?

RoughCollie
02-03-2008, 02:22 AM
I never leave a disapproving reputation. I don't see how that could be helpful, unless it was on the sale board.

I do leave positive reps, but I don't leave my name. It's not about me, IMO.

If you leave a disapproving reputation, do you leave your name? What about positive reputation, do you leave your name then?
Kristine

momo4
02-03-2008, 11:29 AM
If you leave feedback, I think you should leave your name and why you are leaving it (that is if you have the option). Otherwise, there is no accountability.

GothicGyrl
02-03-2008, 12:52 PM
If you leave feedback, I think you should leave your name and why you are leaving it (that is if you have the option). Otherwise, there is no accountability.
See my newest post to the Admins. I have to change my POV now... and yes, I agree with you. Leave your name cowards.