FMOG..Memoria Press or Greenleaf?

[Heather in NC]

I am looking at using FMOG and FMOR next year and I was wondering if anyone could give me the pros and cons of these two different programs? How different are they? I know the MP version also has a study guide. Does Greenleaf? Are they the same?

[Trivium Academy]

I don't have either but I figured I should let you know to check the table of contents and compare them to each other- I noticed in the Middle Ages version there is more chapters (people) in the Greenleaf edition than in the Memoria Press one. Just a heads-up, :)

[Karenciavo]

The Memoria Press books FMoG, FMoR, and FMotMA are beautifully illustrated, are printed on really nice paper, and have a great "Glossary of People and Places" in the back of the book. I've never used the guides for either, but I know the Greenleaf books had guides too.

The Memoria Press version of Famous Men of the Middle Ages does have the same number of chapters as the Greenleaf version, it's just that they are in a slightly different order.

[chiguirre]

Just in case you didn't know, the FMO series is available free online at the Baldwin Project.

Here's the link to their title index:

http://www.mainlesson.com/displaybooksbytitle.php

[karensk]

-- the book, the Greenleaf Guide, and the timeline. Last summer, when I saw Memoria Press's FMoG at a h/s conference with it's rich, color illustrations and heavy-stock paper, I bought theirs and sold the Greenleaf one (book only).

I don't have the MP teacher/student books, but my guess is that the format is similar to the MP D'Aulaires teacher/student books, which ds10 is using this year. In the D'Aulaires student workbook, each lesson has a set of vocabulary words, comprehension questions, and a bit of mapwork. There are a few more discussion questions at the end, too. The teacher's guide is mostly a copy of the student book with the answers filled in. It also has tests and pronunciation guide. From what I've read on MP's website and from using their D'Aulaires, I think the comprehension questions would mostly be recalling events from the stories.

The Greenleaf FMoG Guide was designed, I think, with different goals in mind. What it says at the beginning of their guide:

"Our goals for the study of history are these:
1. That our students will see that God is involved in all history....
2. That when our students begin to study history in advanced courses they will not be starting from scratch, but will be building on a well-laid foundation...."

The Greenleaf Guide has a section on the geography of Greece, but no maps...you'd have to get your own. Most chapters have:

a bank of vocabulary words (but no definitions)
list of people and places, w/pronunciation
brief background information
3 to 5 discussion questions (no answers, though)

And some chapters have suggestions for further reading, e.g., the Landmark book Alexander the Great.

Your goals will determine which teacher's guide is better for you. The MP one will provide all the answers and maps, making it extremely convenient. But I believe the Greenleaf guide has more thought-provoking questions from a Christian worldview, compared to the mostly recall-type questions that I think would be in MP's.

For our situation, since ds10 is already doing MP's D'Aulaires, I thought the MP FMoG added on to that would make too much busywork. We just use the MP FMog with the Greenleaf guide to read & discuss only.

HTH!

[Heather in NC]

Just in case you didn't know, the FMO series is available free online at the Baldwin Project.

Here's the link to their title index:

http://www.mainlesson.com/displaybooksbytitle.php

Now THAT is cool! Thanks!!!!

[Heather in NC]

-- the book, the Greenleaf Guide, and the timeline. Last summer, when I saw Memoria Press's FMoG at a h/s conference with it's rich, color illustrations and heavy-stock paper, I bought theirs and sold the Greenleaf one (book only).

I don't have the MP teacher/student books, but my guess is that the format is similar to the MP D'Aulaires teacher/student books, which ds10 is using this year. In the D'Aulaires student workbook, each lesson has a set of vocabulary words, comprehension questions, and a bit of mapwork. There are a few more discussion questions at the end, too. The teacher's guide is mostly a copy of the student book with the answers filled in. It also has tests and pronunciation guide. From what I've read on MP's website and from using their D'Aulaires, I think the comprehension questions would mostly be recalling events from the stories.

The Greenleaf FMoG Guide was designed, I think, with different goals in mind. What it says at the beginning of their guide:

"Our goals for the study of history are these:
1. That our students will see that God is involved in all history....
2. That when our students begin to study history in advanced courses they will not be starting from scratch, but will be building on a well-laid foundation...."

The Greenleaf Guide has a section on the geography of Greece, but no maps...you'd have to get your own. Most chapters have:

a bank of vocabulary words (but no definitions)
list of people and places, w/pronunciation
brief background information
3 to 5 discussion questions (no answers, though)

And some chapters have suggestions for further reading, e.g., the Landmark book Alexander the Great.

Your goals will determine which teacher's guide is better for you. The MP one will provide all the answers and maps, making it extremely convenient. But I believe the Greenleaf guide has more thought-provoking questions from a Christian worldview, compared to the mostly recall-type questions that I think would be in MP's.

For our situation, since ds10 is already doing MP's D'Aulaires, I thought the MP FMoG added on to that would make too much busywork. We just use the MP FMog with the Greenleaf guide to read & discuss only.

HTH!

AWESOME information! Thank you!

[Beth in SW WA]

FMOR is excellent -- especially in conjunction w/ Netflix docs about Rome. It is really coming alive for my kiddos. The pics are beautiful in the FMOR student book. We also bought the teacher guide, which is awesome.

[KristineIN]

Gee Heather, you look just like someone from another board that I know! ;)

I wonder how many other FIAR'ers we'll now recognize!
:D
Kristine

[mcconnellboys]

The MP version has been updated with more interesting, and in-color photos. I don't know that there's any difference in the text. As far as I know, there was always a TM (I have the old, Greenleaf versions, but have looked at the other at convention).

Regena

[Heather in NC]

Gee Heather, you look just like someone from another board that I know! ;)

I wonder how many other FIAR'ers we'll now recognize!
:D
Kristine

HOWDY!!!! That WILL be fun! These are my two favorite boards, FIAR for my little one and WTM for my older one. There are several from the other board on here I think.

[karensk]

You're welcome! (nt)

[Free Indeed]

HOWDY!!!! That WILL be fun! These are my two favorite boards, FIAR for my little one and WTM for my older one. There are several from the other board on here I think.

:D There are quite a few of us! I am Janee' in Texas over there, but here I use a handle! Not sure why- just always have! ;)