Please help: MFW. . .BF history for high school?

[songbirdie]

I'm considering Beautiful Feet and My Father's World for high school history. My children work best with the literature approach, as opposed to the textbook approach. I would like to hear from some people who used the high school curriculum from these companies - what did you like and dislike about them? Also. . .what is the English like in high school with MFW? Is there actually grammar work, or is it all writing?

[Donna A.]

We're just on week 4 of MFW Ancients, but we're LOVING it so far! In the first four weeks, my dd has:

- Read the majority of Genesis and several of the Psalms
- Read the book of Job
- Written an Argumentative Essay on the topic of her choice (instructions for this are in the Literature Supplement that comes in the package... more on that in a minute)
- Done a Nation Project (research project)
- Completed daily Essay questions with regard to Bible, as well as the OT Challenge Guide for studying the books of the OT that she's reading
- Read several excerpts from Unwrapping the Pharaohs and The New Answers Book from Answers in Genesis
- Read The Epic of Gilgamesh: A Poetic Version
- Read several other books for scheduled Reading time in addition to her history and Bible assignments
- Worked on her timeline (ongoing)
- Has a mapping project due tomorrow
- On Monday, will begin writing a paper contrasting the book of Job with The Epic of Gilgamesh

We love the layout of the manual, and my dd loves being able to get up and get her day started, going right down the grid and knowing exactly what she needs to get done that day. She also does her math and science independently, and I check her work periodically to make sure she's on track. There are instructions in the manual for me to know how to grade her work and apply credit. We discuss her work regularly, but there's a scheduled meeting time for each Friday afternoon, too.

Have you printed out the sample lesson plans from the MFW website? Also, there are several threads in the MFW Archives with more information about how the program works. I'll give you the link to that page: http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=96b4faf5a4291a6f6285265875380e68

I was on the fence for a long time about whether to do this program. I thought I could save money by putting together our own stuff and just using the Notgrass World History guide on its own (without MFW lesson plans). But after attempting to do that for just a few weeks, I realized I was going to have too much trouble keeping track of her daily assignments AND give her "enough" to do without a lot of hassle on my part. I broke down and bought AHL, and we are so very glad I did! :) It's all very streamlined for both student and parent/teacher.

Editing to say that so far, there isn't anything we DON'T like about this program.

I'll start a separate post re: grammar and composition.

[Donna A.]

MFW uses an adapted literature guide from SMARR guide. It was written by Robert Watson (who also wrote the poetic version of Gilgamesh that the student reads), and this adaptation is published by MFW. It's separate from the manual with MFW lesson plans that the student uses for all subjects.

The layout of the "Literature and Composition Supplement for Ancient History and Literature" is as follows:

First is a short Introduction and note to parent and student. Note to parent says to make sure you walk through everything for the argumentative essay with the student to make sure she understands. Then she can do the actual literature lessons more independently, but the argumentative paper is *almost* a stand-alone lesson before you get to the lit studies.

Lesson 1 begins the Argumentative Paper. This is where he (Watson) gives you step by step instructions for the argumentative essay. There are practice exercises so the student understands what he means by "Topic", the "Thesis Statement", and so on. He gives good examples and bad ones. He shows a diagram of the structure of the argumentative paper, explains the Introductory Paragraph, the Topic Paragraphs, supporting sentences, and so on. Oh, and at the end of each of these sections, the student writes that portion of her paper... so it's done incrementally.

And then finally, the Conclusion. At this point he gives an example of an argumentative paper well done, asking the student to find the thesis statement and other specific parts of the paper.

Then there's a chance to rewrite the essay at the end of the week, and instructions for typing it up (use 1" margins, etc.). Then there are instructions for the parent to evaluate the essay and how to grade it.

All of that is done over 5 lessons.

Lesson 6 begins grammar exercises, the parsing of sentences, coordination and subordination, parallelism, and other skills the student needs to write an argumentative essay. This continues through Lesson 34, and then he provides a checklist for the Argumentative Essay. We haven't done any of these lessons yet; I imagine they're scheduled later (by MFW) as she gets to doing more papers.

Then you have A Student's Companion to The Epic of Gilgamesh (by Watson). This is for The Epic of Gilgamesh: A Poetic Version also by Watson, and published by MFW. At the end of the study guide for this book is another writing assignment comparing and contrasting Gilgamesh with the Book of Job. Following that assignment is a Glossary for Gilgamesh.

Next is the study guide for Bulfinch, a writing assignment, and Glossary. (Oh, and each lit study guide consists of vocabulary exercises, recall questions, and critical thinking questions.)

Then you have the same thing for The Odyssey.

Then comes the Answer Keys for all of the lit study questions, and then last comes the Vocabulary Quizzes for each book studied. The very last thing is the answers to the Vocab Quizzes.

All of the above are contained in one spiral-bound manual produced by MFW. Again, this is a separate manual from the one the student works with for MFW lesson plans for history, Bible, and everything else.

Someone was wondering in another discussion I read the other day why MFW doesn't use Writer's INC in AHL. (Because they do use Writer's INC in year 2, World History & Lit.) Well, I had the opportunity to sit down with a copy of Writer's INC and look through it. Their instructions are COMPLETELY different from the ones in this guide from MFW/Robert Watson. Writer's INC gives very complicated instructions for a Persuasive Essay, and then it breaks down the Persuasive Essay into different *types* of persuasive essays... one of which is an Argumentative Essay. The final example of an Argumentative Essay is much longer than the 5-paragraph essay the student does here... and the instructions in the book are more complicated than the instructions here.

So IOW, the instructions (and the assignment) in the MFW/Watson guide are JUST for a 5-paragraph argumentative essay and nothing else. No other "types" of persuasive essays... it doesn't get into all that. The focus on the argumentative essay here is specifically for the purpose of studying Gilgamesh alongside the Book of Job and other Old Testament/Ancient literature, and comparing and contrasting what man said vs. what God said (as some of the mythology of the period gives varying accounts of biblical events, so the student is learning how to discern the differences in light of the Truth). The student is learning how to make a good argument for the inerrancy of Scripture, as well as the biblical account of Creation, the Flood, and other major events.

As to grammar specifically, there's a whole section w/in the Lit Supplement on just grammar, and there are also daily grammar review questions in the Notgrass history spine. (Notgrass by itself is much lighter than MFW.) But if you have a student who's weak in grammar and maybe needs some help all the way through, as is the case with my dd, you might need to supplement this subject. My dd's doing Easy Grammar Plus, which is pretty low-key, and she's doing very well with all of her writing assignments.

HTH. I think my description of the layout of the Lit Supplement may be confusing, so if you have any questions, please ask. :001_smile:

[songbirdie]

Thank you SO VERY MUCH, Donna A!!! That was exactly what I needed to hear about!!!:lol:

[Heinstein]

Donna A.,
Your posts were extremely helpful! Thank you for taking the time to write such thorough posts! You've answered my questions!