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DianeJM
03-18-2008, 11:16 AM
This all started for me when I heard last week on NPR a glowing report of Singapore Math being used with great success in public schools in one county in California. That got me very interested in looking at it -- it seemed "fun" and kids absolutely loved it. (The thought did occur to me that I personally can make any fun thing deathly boring just by being me, so I know the teacher has a lot to do with how fun it is.)

Anyway, so I have been looking on the Singapore math site as well as others for information. I figure my son would be about 2B. On the Singapore site there is what looks like a new edition, the "Standards" edition, and it says that it's been adapted to conform to the standards of California public schools. That is not necessarily a selling point for me.

Does anyone know anything about this? If there is a thread elsewhere on this, please direct me.

My reason for looking is that my 3rd grade son has hit a wall with being motivated with school in general, but with math in particular. He is absolutely hating math. We have been using ABeka since the beginning. I think it's just that it's getting more complicated with the long division and having to memorize all these multiplication tables and all. So, I don't know if there would be anything that would make it more fun except the teacher -- me. We have had another year this year of many interruptions and distractions with school, many of which are out of my control. We are only on lesson 50-something (out of 170, even though I never get past about 150 b/c I don't think I need to), so we are pretty far behind. We used to have fun with math, I made it an active experience for him, but now there's just so much pencil and paper, and that gets him down. I still try to include activity, but it's getting harder to do. There are many days I don't even get to math, and some days we don't do any school at all except maybe read a story together. I think he has gotten used to not doing much. Every year I try hard to plan so that interruptions are minimal, and again this year it hasn't worked very well. It took me two years to do 2nd grade with him, and here we are way behind in 3rd. Still, I don't want to put him in school, although he is asking to go.

Sorry for the length of this!

Alice
03-18-2008, 11:43 AM
I'm not at all an expert and others here probably are more up to date on this...but I am planning on using Singapre with my now 4 yr old (we're using Earlybird and he loves it). I had the same questiosn when I was looking at the site recently.

From the Singapore site:

Was anything removed from the Primary Mathematics U.S. edition to create the Standards Edition?
No. Nothing was removed. Some topics were moved up or down between levels, and some learning tasks, practices, and review questions were rearranged.

What was added to the Primary Mathematics U.S. edition to create the Standards Edition?
All textbooks now have a glossary at the end containing mathematical terms taught in that book. 4A-5B textbooks have a list of the California mathematics content standards. 2A-5B levels now have a cumulative review after every unit in both the textbook and the workbook. All the problems from the reviews in the US edition were used, and some new ones added in order to provide additional review. Many units have a few pages added for re-teaching of topics from earlier levels, particularly In 4A-5B.
Content that had been removed from the second edition of Primary Mathematics to create the the third edition in 1999 (reduced content) was added back in to the Standards edition. In 4A-5B, re-teaching pages came from the second edition of Primary Mathematics, as well as additional pages on fractions. Additional mental math learning tasks came from the second edition. Problems added to the reviews (other than those added for new content needed for CA standards) came from the second edition of Primary Mathematics. 3A-5B textbooks (as well as 1A-2B) are in color. If you are familiar with the U.S. edition, please see the following table to find out what topics added or moved compared to Primary Mathematics U.S. edition . If you are not familiar with the U.S. edition, please use the Scope and Sequence

There is a long table on their site detailing all the changes. http://www.singaporemath.com/FAQ_Primary_Math_s/15.htm#PrimaryMathStdEdition

LunaLee
03-18-2008, 02:28 PM
So it just figures that the new Standards edition of everything has gone up in price and the teachers guide, for those of us who need it for the upper grades, instead of being the reasonable $20 or so is now $44.

Typical.:glare:

DianeJM
03-19-2008, 11:55 AM
Okay, that is helpful; I wasn't on the site long enough to see that part, thanks for posting the info. I probably should look at both editions.

Looking at what Singapore says about it, maybe the Standards editions are a good idea after all, b/c they build in more review, and that seems to be one of the weak points of the regular editions. Well, I will keep investigating. I'm also looking at MUS and others.

Right, the price increase is a bummer. If public schools are a potential buyer, the prices become quite inflated usually; that's too bad for us.

Thanks!!

jg_puppy
03-19-2008, 12:44 PM
I need to look around some more, but I am wondering how the Challenging Word Problems books and Intensive Practice books will fit with the new standards version. I have bought a few things ahead and I am wondering if I should go ahead and buy the other things I need or switch to the new standard edition.

Jan

Testimony
03-19-2008, 12:57 PM
So it just figures that the new Standards edition of everything has gone up in price and the teachers guide, for those of us who need it for the upper grades, instead of being the reasonable $20 or so is now $44.

Typical.:glare:

Yes!!!! I did notice that the price got higher. Argh!:iagree:

Blessings to all,
Karen
www.homeschoolblogger.com/testimony

KarenNC
03-19-2008, 04:21 PM
I'm leaning toward switching to the standards edition. From what I can read, they are putting back in material that the 2nd edition had included, as well as some things that Singapore doesn't usually cover (like probability). Since they are *removing* anything, I can't see that the changes are a drawback. Additional review options would also not hurt. I can always do as I do now and skip sections if they are repetitive for her, but not having to scrounge for extra practice (or buy the extra practice book) in other areas will be a bonus.

The higher price is a bummer, but if there is more material, I can see it. For us, it would be a $20 difference for level 3 (including a and b), as we aren't planning on using a teacher's guide. To get an entire year of good math for $54 is still pretty reasonable in my book compared to the cost of some other programs (Rainbow Resource lists Saxon 3 as about $75).