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OneLuckyMom
10-24-2009, 01:17 AM
Hello Everyone,

I've learned so much from lurking these forums the last few weeks and want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences. I hope I'm posting this in the correct section of the forum.

Currently, I am in need of guidance in choosing a Latin program for my seventh grade, 12 year old DS. Some background: he qualifies for all Johns Hopkins programs, is a straight A student, and has been studying Spanish since first grade, which he finds easy. His verbal skills test at Grade Equivalents 13+, 98th percentiles. He liked the Epic of Gilgamesh in sixth grade and asked for a more complete version than what the school covered.

He has expressed a desire to learn Latin for (I am very embarrassed to admit) the last several years. He feels it will be useful in learning more languages in the future. He recently has been mentioning learning French someday. He also loves cartoons, and The Diary of a Wimpy Kid series of books. He has an interest in visiting Italy someday based on my recollections of my trip many years ago.

He does very well with DVD based programs he can put in the laptop and take with him, but also does well sitting with his textbooks, just not as enjoyable. He does very well also with CD's he can listen to at bedtime. He is very involved with music, Scouts, and one sport, so his time during the week is very limited. He will be studying independently when he gets home from school, probably three days a week.

I feel like I have wasted too much (of his) time for my lack of knowledge of how valuable studying Latin can be, and I now want to do everything I can to facilitate his Latin study in the most enjoyable (for him), but thorough, way possible. I very much regret not looking into this sooner, and wish I had known better. No one tells you this stuff!

I **think** this is what I understand from my forum readings: that there are grammar based programs, reading based programs, and combo programs. That if I had to choose, I should be more concerned with grammar first(?), but that many folks do more than one program to get the benefits of both types. That some programs focus mainly on learning the mechanics of the language, while others add a rich history component. That the classical pronunciation is more useful in general in terms of standardized testing and college study, but that it's easy to pick up one once you know the other.

The programs I have browsed online to one degree or another include Lively Latin, Latin for Children, Latin Prep, Prima Latina, Latina Christiana, Ecce Romani, Cambridge, and Latin for the New Millennium. My head hurts!!

Can you please correct any impressions of mine that may be incorrect, fill me in on any important things I might need to know to help him be successful, and help guide me to the most appropriate starter course, or combination of courses based on the type of kid he is?

I am looking for something not too dry, with a decent amount of interesting history (but not too much). He might be more interested in a true historical storyline than in a fictitious one for reading passages. I want his efforts to be put to good use, and be well prepared for HS Latin, and possibly eventually AP testing, if he continues.

Programs with associated DVD, CD, and online resources would be really welcome. Due to our faith, some prayers or some Ecclesiastical exposure would not be a problem to us at all, but he is not headed for the seminary! One last thing - I would want the program to be mostly self taught, as I have studied only some Italian, not Latin, but DH is available to pitch in, if needed, on a limited basis - he studied one year of HS Latin. Of course, a reasonable price is important.

What do you all think?

Laura Corin
10-24-2009, 04:38 AM
Hello

Calvin is highly verbal and tested profoundly gifted; Latin was his second foreign language, after Mandarin. Latin Prep has been a great fit for him: challenging and intriguing. There isn't a lot of 'fluff' so you get through the language fairly efficiently. It's designed for children of your son's age who are in selective private schools in the UK. There is a Yahoo group to join where the publisher answers questions when you get stuck.

To answer your questions:

I **think** this is what I understand from my forum readings: that there are grammar based programs, reading based programs, and combo programs. That if I had to choose, I should be more concerned with grammar first(?), but that many folks do more than one program to get the benefits of both types.
That some programs focus mainly on learning the mechanics of the language, while others add a rich history component. That the classical pronunciation is more useful in general in terms of standardized testing and college study, but that it's easy to pick up one once you know the other.

Latin Prep teaches grammar from the beginning, but also has practice of the grammar (translation to and from Latin) from the start. It includes some exercises on derivation of English words, but this is not a major part of the programme. There isn't any integral history, except within some of the translation passages, which also feature Roman myth.

Latin Prep uses classical pronunciation. There is guidance as to how to pronounce at the beginning of the first book, plus CD/downloads of the exercises being spoken. There's a review of Latin Prep (http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127869&highlight=latin+prep+review) in this thread.

Best wishes

Laura

Rebecca VA
10-24-2009, 07:09 AM
My seventh-grader is a first-semester student in the online Latin program at The Lukeion Project (www.lukeion.org (http://www.lukeion.org)). Lukeion uses Wheelock's Latin, which is a college text, at half-speed. This means that they take two years to cover the 40 chapters in the text.

The online classes are held on Tuesdays. Online homework has to be submitted on Friday by 5:00, and the online quiz has to be in by Monday at 5:00. So there's a lot of accountability. The teacher is readily available to answer questions during the lesson or by e-mail.

The teacher expects the students to spend from one to two hours a day on Latin. This is quite a reasonable requirement.

Lukeion offers annual family tours of the ancient world. In 2008 they took students and parents to Italy, and this past spring they went to Greece. In spring of 2010 they'll be going to Turkey. The Lukeion teachers (a husband-and-wife team who majored in archeology and the classics in college) put a lot of thought and care into planning out these trips. I know this because we went on both the Italy and Greece trips! We visited some sites that are definitely off the beaten path, but so worthwhile. We saw Nero's Golden House when it was very hard to get tickets to (it's closed to the public now). We spent a whole morning wandering around Hadrian's Villa almost totally by ourselves. We walked down into Tiberius's sea cave. We had the luxury of being able to ask our tour leaders anything we wanted to and get great answers.

Anyway, whether you use an online school or not, Wheelock's Latin is the most serious Latin text out there. It has a lot of support products (pronunciation CDs, a workbook, vocabulary lists, etc.) that can easily be purchased through Amazon. It may be a college text, but a hard-working seventh-grader can learn the material.

nmoira
10-24-2009, 10:49 AM
If money isn't an object, you might wish to consider Artes Latinae (http://www.bolchazy.com/index.php?cat=al&sub=main) as well. It's entirely self taught and self-paced. If you use the softare, the student can choose American Scholastic, Restored Classical, or Ecclesiastical pronunciation.

latinteach
10-24-2009, 02:10 PM
Hello Everyone,

I **think** this is what I understand from my forum readings: that there are grammar based programs, reading based programs, and combo programs. That if I had to choose, I should be more concerned with grammar first(?), but that many folks do more than one program to get the benefits of both types. That some programs focus mainly on learning the mechanics of the language, while others add a rich history component. That the classical pronunciation is more useful in general in terms of standardized testing and college study, but that it's easy to pick up one once you know the other.

The problem with choosing a Latin program is that there are so many excellent choices, using a wide variety of methodologies.

I am looking for something not too dry, with a decent amount of interesting history (but not too much). He might be more interested in a true historical storyline than in a fictitious one for reading passages. I want his efforts to be put to good use, and be well prepared for HS Latin, and possibly eventually AP testing, if he continues.

If a true historical storyline is preferred, Latin for the New Millennium and Cambridge are good choices. LNM follows a chronological timeline from the time of the ancient Romans all the way to the Renaissance period. LNM provides a wonderful survey of number of Latin writers through the ages and how the Latin language has impacted the Western world.

Cambridge zeroes in on the first century AD, specifically in the initial book to 79 AD , the year that Pompeii and Herculaneum were destroyed by Vesuvius, which allows a great deal of archaeological and historical knowledge to be layered over the storyline, which is actually adapted heavily from the playwright Plautus and the epistolary writings of Pliny. The second volume hones in on Roman Britain. (It is a British course.)

LNM follows a grammar-based approach combined with reading techniques, while Cambridge is definitely a reading-based approach. Both are secular programs, though there are readings from Christian Latin sources in LNM (Augustine, Venerable Bede, etc.).

Ecce Romani is based on a wealthy, patrician family living in Rome and also at their country home in the first century. The storyline isn't as exciting as Cambridge, though it really has excellent grammar and syntax explanations. (Cambridge really does a better job of drawing on ancient writers for dramatic inspiration.) It is a reading based course.

Latin Prep is a well-written grammar-based course. It has more readings than a typical grammar course, generally drawn from mythology and history.

Lively Latin includes a well-done history component, though it is separate from the grammar lessons.

LC and LFA focus intensely on grammar, with history needing to be supplemented. (More with LC than LfC, which has historical readings available separately.) Memoria has some excellent history books (in English, separately.)