Plaid Dad, re Lingua Latin replacing LL in your homeschool...

[Beth in SW WA]

Will you rotate the 2 programs w/ dd? Are you making a philosophical switch in your methodologies?

I have Lingua Latina on order and I can't wait to add it to the madness we already have brewing.

I was surpised to read in your blog that you are switching. Are you still recommending a combo of grammar & immersion?

Thanks!!

[Plaid Dad]

There have been two recent threads about Lingua Latina in which I went on at great length ;) about Latin pedagogy: #1 (http://67.202.21.157/forums/showthread.php?t=9555&highlight=steps+Latin+translation) and #2 (http://67.202.21.157/forums/showthread.php?t=10621&highlight=Lingua+Latina). The short version is that I have been very impressed with the results I'm getting with Lingua Latina with my tutoring kids, and I'm giving it a try with my dd now. So far, so good! I may bring Lively back in, but for now, we're going with Lingua Latina at a very slow and gentle pace. High school students usually take two years to get through the book; I'm expecting to spend four, with possible side trips into other materials for variety.

In terms of recommendations, much depends on what the parents' goals are for Latin and how they prefer to teach other subjects in relation to it. It would be nearly impossible to teach English grammar with Lingua Latina alone because it presents grammar according the frequency of certain forms in Latin literature, not in what would be the logical arrangement for English. I will be using CW, so that's not a big concern for me, but it would be a deal-breaker for people who want to teach English exclusively through Latin. In that case I would recommend Henle as the main text. But if (1) the primary goal is fluency in reading Latin, (2) the parent knows Latin or is willing to work ahead of the student, and (3) English grammar can be covered adequately with another program, then Lingua Latina is my preference.

HTH!

[Beth in SW WA]

But if (1) the primary goal is fluency in reading Latin, (2) the parent knows Latin or is willing to work ahead of the student, and (3) English grammar can be covered adequately with another program, then Lingua Latina is my preference.

HTH!

I'm thinking door #4:

Mom does not know Latin, so forks over the $$ to pay a tutor or online class (Mr. Spotts) to teach Lingua. Teach English grammar via writing separate from Latin studies.

And yes, the goal is Latin fluency (Latin as Latin), not necessarily "aceing" the Latin Sat II (which would be a bonus).

Works for me :)

You're the best, Drew. Thanks!!

[LisaNY]

I'm thinking door #4:

Mom does not know Latin, so forks over the $$ to pay a tutor or online class (Mr. Spotts) to teach Lingua. Teach English grammar via writing separate from Latin studies.

And yes, the goal is Latin fluency (Latin as Latin), not necessarily "aceing" the Latin Sat II (which would be a bonus).

Works for me :)

You're the best, Drew. Thanks!!

Dave Spotts is a great guy! I know him from the Oerberg list, and he's helped me w/my own studies a few times. :)

[Plaid Dad]

Sounds like a plan! I haven't worked with Mr. Spotts myself, but from his posts on the Oerberg lists, he seems like a knowledgeable and enthusiastic teacher. :)

[Cindyg]

Have you guys seen Lingua Latina: A College Companion (http://www.pullins.com/Books/01917CollegeCompanion.htm)? It seemed like the perfect tool for the mom who doesn't know Latin. It provides explanations for things that the college student won't have time to absorb naturally. And since there's little I absorb naturally these days, it seemed perfect for giving me the background info I would need to use this program.

[Beth in SW WA]

Thanks, gang. All the Lingua Latina materials look fantastic. I will *attempt* to read ahead. My new books should arrive this week.

I lurk on the Oeberg list but I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about :)

[Plaid Dad]

Have you guys seen Lingua Latina: A College Companion (http://www.pullins.com/Books/01917CollegeCompanion.htm)?

Yes, this is an excellent book.The parent-teacher needs to study ahead (imo) to make full use of the program, but the College Companion is a great help.

[Mamagistra]

...the College Companion is a great help.

::Adds yet ANOTHER book to curriculum wishlist::

:D

[Mama Lynx]

I really find the CD-ROM to be helpful, too. Just FYI.

[Beth in SW WA]

I really find the CD-ROM to be helpful, too. Just FYI.

Mama, Can you please explain how you schedule Lingua Latina -- and tell me the CD is worth the $$ green :).

You must be a Mac family (isn't the CD for Mac only?)

Thanks!!

[buddhabelly]

Coincidentally, I ordered the first book (I think!) called Exercitia Latina I: Familia Romana about a week before all these discussions appeared. I was buying my Latin dictionary and it just looked good.

My son is thrilled that there is no English in it at all -- only Latin. But I have a question. Is there something else I should be using along with it, or is that it? The reason I ask is that y'all refer to pictures in the margins. Mine doesn't have any pictures. (Copyright date 2005) I do have Henle in case I get completely befuddled.

And on a side note, we did get tripped up in the first set of exercises because the word "estne" is not introduced in LFC A or B. I assume it means "is not" or "is it not." It was introduced in the form of a question. "Estne Graecia in Europa?" and "Estne Gallia in Asia?" Why the "ne" -- why can't it just be "Est Graecia in Europa?" Thanks in advance.

By the way, my answer key is coming in the mail. For some reason it is out of print, but I got a used copy. Now we can only hope that it matches my edition of Exercitia I: Familia Romana.

Thanks,
Buddhabelly

[Mama Lynx]

I don't think it's for Mac only, but yes, we are a Mac family :) FYI, I bought my CD from Amazon, where it was only $29.

I don't really schedule it. We kind of use it in spurts, right now. My DS likes me to read the chapter aloud to him, or we take turns reading. Then he does the exercises on the CD. When we start up again, I will require him to read the chapter over several times - the CD has audio files where you can listen to the chapters, as well.

The CD has the entire text of the book, and, like I said, sound files. Then it has exercises which are immediately correcting. If you type in a wrong answer, it tells you right away. I realize now that that feature has been particularly useful to me because I didn't own the teachers materials/answer book :) So really, if you own the answer book, you can do everything I do with the CD, with just the text.

However, we appreciate listening to the Latin from someone who pronounces it correctly, and my kids enjoy doing the exercises on the computer and having the instant feedback. Plus, Mom can always bring the sound files into the car, where the audience is captive ;-)

I'd love to hear how others schedule it. We more wing it :) (We also do a grammar/translation program.)

[Beth in SW WA]

Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

I enjoyed your blog! Boy, would I love to go out for coffee and chat w/ you sometime :) You're the owner of the infamous One Sixteenth!

[LisaNY]

Coincidentally, I ordered the first book (I think!) called Exercitia Latina I: Familia Romana about a week before all these discussions appeared. I was buying my Latin dictionary and it just looked good.

My son is thrilled that there is no English in it at all -- only Latin. But I have a question. Is there something else I should be using along with it, or is that it? The reason I ask is that y'all refer to pictures in the margins. Mine doesn't have any pictures. (Copyright date 2005) I do have Henle in case I get completely befuddled.

And on a side note, we did get tripped up in the first set of exercises because the word "estne" is not introduced in LFC A or B. I assume it means "is not" or "is it not." It was introduced in the form of a question. "Estne Graecia in Europa?" and "Estne Gallia in Asia?" Why the "ne" -- why can't it just be "Est Graecia in Europa?" Thanks in advance.

By the way, my answer key is coming in the mail. For some reason it is out of print, but I got a used copy. Now we can only hope that it matches my edition of Exercitia I: Familia Romana.

Thanks,
Buddhabelly

You ordered the exercise booklet. The main text is called "Lingua Latina - Familia Romana" - you will have to order that. I get all my materials from Focus Publishing. You got the correct answer key, it is just "out of print" because they have a new resource called "Teachers Materials", which is the complete answer key for the exercitia and pensa exercises. They used to sell them all separately.

the -ne is called an enclitic, and it is put at the end of the word when the question is anticipating either a "yes" or "no" answer.

[Mama Lynx]

Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

I enjoyed your blog! Boy, would I love to go out for coffee and chat w/ you sometime :) You're the owner of the infamous One Sixteenth!

LOL, am I infamous? Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Maybe I should actually remember to post on it sometime. That would be good. I'm at that point now where I haven't posted in so long, I don't know where to start. So I don't. :001_huh:

Anytime you're in Michigan (or Virginia), or I'm in Washington, you're on for the coffee and chat! :cheers2: (they don't have a coffee smiley)