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Christy B
05-19-2009, 09:48 AM
I can't find what I'm looking for in a history/lit/worldview curriculum, so I'm making good on my threat to create my own.

I keep looking over LLfLOTR and I can see a progression of literature from the epics to more modern times (the influence of WWI on Tolkein, for example; and the influence of C.S. Lewis). I might have to adjust the unit studies a bit, but I see that the section of each test that covers the unit study material is clearly marked, so I don't think rearranging a few would be a problem.

Dd has requested a very concise history text/workbook, with more history reading added in. So, I'm thinking of going with something like Walch's Short Lessons in World History to give us an outline and some structure, adding history readings, and then matching up the unit studies in LLfLOTR with our history outline where they fit. Since we've NEVER touched on The Iliad, The Odyssey and The Aeneid, I think she could read those as her history reading for ancients, and we'll just put unit study five closer to the beginning of the book. And I'll probably read "junior" versions of those from the Veritas catalog, and it will STILL be more than she would do at our local private school. Maybe she can tackle one of the originals later in high school.

We could move the unit on Tolkein's life a little later in the year, since he was profoundly influenced by WWI. I thought we could use the unit on Movies and Classics to cover a couple of more modern works, too, like Little Women or Huck Finn. I don't feel a need to spend a great deal of time on Modern History, in anticipation of spending a greater proportion of our American History year on those topics.

We'll probably spend the bulk of our year on Middle Ages/Renaissance, since that is the bulk of LLfLOTR (with the Arthurian books, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales, etc); which will be PERFECT, since that is the era that we ended up rushing through in our chronological study in 4th - 8th. I also want to incorporate church history this year, to correspond with what dd will be covering in her classes at church, so I will need more time in this era.

So, at the moment, this seems like a reasonable plan, but am I just overcaffeinated? Do you think this could work? It somehow seems to make more sense to start with LLfLOTR and build out from there (since I have it, have read through it, and feel confident that it is going to be a good fit).

Carol in Cal.
05-19-2009, 03:55 PM
That sounds good to me!

Christy B
05-19-2009, 04:44 PM
That sounds good to me!

Lori may not want her name associated with my hair-brained scheme, but she did help inspire the idea. :tongue_smilie:

Lori D.
05-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Awesome Christy! I took so long responding because I was compiling some ideas and resources that might help -- or just overwhelm! -- you. :tongue_smilie: BEST of luck in your planning! Warmest regards, Lori D.


Literary Lessons from the Lord of the Rings covers or mentions:

Works partially analyzed and covered in some detail in LLftLotR (whole side units on these):
- Beowulf
- Sir Gawain and the Green Knight

Works described in several pages each, and how they influenced Tolkien:
- The Iliad
- The Odyssey
- Arthurian romances

Works mentioned, or suggested as possible interesting extra, outside reading:
- Macbeth
- Midsummer Night's Dream

Poetry
A number of poems by Tolkien are also analyzed in one of the 12 additional units of LLftLotR, so you could also include related poetry. If you want to expand the poetry section, you might check out: The Roar on the Other Side: A Guide for Student Poets (Clark) for writing some poetry, or the Progeny Press lit. guide with 3 units on poetry. Another idea: much of Tolkien's poetry tells a long story, or is epic poetry, so perhaps you could include a longer story poem or epic poem such as:

- Evangeline (Wadsworth)
- Song of Hiawatha (Wadsworth)
- Paul Revere's Ride (Wasdsworth)
- The Courtship of Miles Standish (Longfellow)
- The Charge of the Light Brigade (Tennyson)
- Kubla Kahn (Coleridge)
- Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Coleridge)
- The Raven (Poe)
- The Goblin Market (Rossetti)


Some other Tolkien books to consider:

- The Annotated Hobbit (Anderson)
The complete text of Tolkien's The Hobbit, with wonderful notes, illustrations, etc. to show influences on Tolkien, changes he made, and how other cultures have responded to The Hobbit.

- The Tolkien Reader
Colleciton of short stories, poems and essays by Tolkien, including "On Fairy Stories", an especially fascinating work as in it, Tolkien lays out his supportive for how the "faery" or fantasy genre can be used to express serious and important themes.

- The Silmarillion
Perhaps consider the first short section, which is Tolkien's "retelling" of Creation and Satan's rebelllion, and do a comparison with some passages from Scripture.

- Children of Hurin (Tolkien)
Only recently released, it is a melancholy epic which feels very ancient Greek or Nordic. Wonderful book, and worth adding in alongside The Iliad or other Nordic epics.


Book ideas related to Tolkien:

- The Golden Key; The Light Princess; The Wise Woman (MacDonald)
Short stories by George MacDonald, a Christian who predated Tolkien in writing fantasy that is extremely fantastical. MacDonald had a *huge* early influence on CS Lewis and in helping him develop his love of fantasy and his support of fantasy as a serious writing genre with much to say.

- Till We Have Faces (CS Lewis)
Lewis was Tolkien's good friend, and this particular book is a fascinating Christian retelling of the ancient Greek myth of Cupid and Psyche.

- Eragon (Paolli)
NOT great literature, rather, it's quite average adequately written fantasy -- however the teen author was *greatly* influenced by Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, which is especially seen in the first third of the book. Perhaps use as a light summer read?

And check out the Wikipedia article on Tolkien for more ideas of what influenced him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.r.r._tolkien



Works related to the Ancient Epics:

- Till We Have Faces (CS Lewis)
Lewis was Tolkien's good friend, and this particular book is a fascinating Christian retelling of the ancient Greek myth of Cupid and Psyche.

- Heroes of the City of Man (Leithhart)
Christian analysis of Theogeny, The Iliad, The Odyssey, The Aeneid, and 4 Greek dramas


Works related to the Ancient Nordic Epics:

- The Kalavala
Ancient Finnish epic which inspired Tolkien, especially in The Silmarillion and The Children of Hurin, and inspired Longfellow to write The Song of Hiawatha in the same meter. Perhaps consider reading an excerpt -- we've read a "retelling" of the "The Forging of the Sampo" portion, written as a heroic legend/myth in a collection of heroic legends. (Our version was in vol. 4 of the 10 volume collection put out by Collier in the 1950s/60s = http://www.amazon.com/Young-Folks-Shelf-Books-Colliers/dp/B000CQYBVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242777894&sr=1-1) For more on this work, see Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala

- Völsunga saga
Medieval Scandanavian ballad; we've read a simplified retelling of the portion in which Sigurd (sometimes his name is translated as Siegfred) slays the dragon Fafnir. (Our version was in the book "A Book of Dragons" by Hague = http://www.amazon.com/Book-Dragons-Michael-Hague/dp/0060759682/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242777829&sr=1-7) See the wikipedia article on this saga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd


Works related to Arthurian legend:

- A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (Twain)
- The Sword in the Stone (White)
- The Seeing Stone (Crossley-Holland)

Christy B
05-19-2009, 09:38 PM
Lori, you ROCK.:thumbup:

Thank you for your amazing generosity in compiling that list for me. It is immensely helpful (especially given that I plan to attend our huge conference/book fair this coming weekend -- now I am ARMED with a plan and some much needed confidence -- and a great list of books with an EXCUSE TO BUY THEM).

When I publish The Hobbit's Omnibus: There and Back Again in World History, I will dedicate it to you. :lol:

Dana in OR
05-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Christi and Lori, I am in awe of both of you!

Please keep us posted on whatever you come up with, Christi. We're just a little ways into LLLOTR and are enjoying it a great deal. I'd love to somehow build on that.

Lori D.
05-20-2009, 12:24 AM
When I publish The Hobbit's Omnibus: There and Back Again in World History, I will dedicate it to you. :lol:



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Veronica in VA
05-27-2009, 08:40 AM
I just saw this thread and the ideas are great. LLOLOTR was our favorite resource for the high school years! We did the lighter versions of some of the ancient books when dd was in 9th. I am thinking of doing the regular versions for this coming year when she is in 12th. She wasn't ready in 9th, but can definitely handle it now. Or maybe Brit Lit - hard to decide!

Veronica