MODG ancient history syllabus?

[NJKelli]

Has anyone used this? How would it work or be adapted for a bright but slow working dc with a English (literature and composition) class on the side?

Thanks!!!

[NJKelli]

Still trying....

[langfam]

Wish I could help you, but we'll be using it in a couple of years. You can try posting at

http://cathswap.heavenforum.com/forum.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MODGFamilies/summary

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DYOCCFamilies/summary

[4wildberrys]

Sorry, I haven't used it but I have a friend who tried it so my comments are purely second hand ;) She said it was dry and boring----really challenging and dry books to study an interesting period in history.

[Kathy in Richmond]

Sorry, I haven't used it but I have a friend who tried it so my comments are purely second hand ;) She said it was dry and boring----really challenging and dry books to study an interesting period in history.

:iagree:

I purchased this guide a few years ago (2003 copyright) and never used it. Unless it's been updated, it used the Warren Carroll text, which my dd didn't care for - too dry for her tastes. We went with Kolbe ancients lit and history instead. I like a lot of Laura Berquist's stuff, but this guide didn't grab me at all. Some assignments:

make a timeline - btdt

read book of Daniel and write a summary

read the Iliad (for 11 days in a row, this was the all the guide said)

write a paper on the Iliad (only one sample topic given, told to pick your own - well, that's what I buy a guide for!)

read the Histories (selections only, 7 days); again, none of the commentary I was hoping for, just "read".

write a first person account of one of the battles - sorry, but that's the kind of topic I could make up; I was expecting something better I guess.

Anyway, that's what the guide is like,

~Kathy

[MicheleinMN]

We used Kolbe's history and literature for 9th and 10th grade instead.

www.kolbe.org - Has some sample pages available for each set of lesson plans.

HTH

[NJKelli]

Thanks, ladies. This is what I was afraid of....dry and boring. I think it might seem especially so to dd.

We are actually enrolled in Kolbe, so I will be able to get the syllabi for history and literature with enrollment. However, I'm concerned I will need to provide more of a historical context for those heavy readings since she has only had one year of world history before now.

I would really like to attempt a chronological study of history starting with ancients where she would learn the history and get exposure to the great books in an enjoyable way. I wouldn't even mind adaptations if they would spark her interest. Am I a wimp? :tongue_smilie:

Any suggestions?

[Kathy in Richmond]

I don't have any experience with it, but RC History (http://www.rchistory.com/cwh_overview.htm)looks interesting. It's a Catholic, chronological, multiple-level history and literature program. The first volume covers ancient history and literature. You get teacher pages (http://www.rchistory.com/Consider.pdf)with discussion questions, overview (http://www.rchistory.com/Overview.pdf) pages for historical context, reading plans (http://www.rchistory.com/Explore.pdf) for all three stages (grammar, logic, rhetoric), so you could bounce around between them. They also offer discussion guides (http://www.stgeorgebooks.com/booklist.cfm?SID=967) with lit analysis, (rhetoric level example) and ideas for writing and hands-on projects (http://www.rchistory.com/Notebook.pdf). They classify grade 9 as logic, btw. Looks like it would be fun :001_smile:. Wish I had another kid to do it with!

~Kathy

[elizabeth]

Thanks, ladies. This is what I was afraid of....dry and boring. I think it might seem especially so to dd.

We are actually enrolled in Kolbe, so I will be able to get the syllabi for history and literature with enrollment. However, I'm concerned I will need to provide more of a historical context for those heavy readings since she has only had one year of world history before now.

I would really like to attempt a chronological study of history starting with ancients where she would learn the history and get exposure to the great books in an enjoyable way. I wouldn't even mind adaptations if they would spark her interest. Am I a wimp? :tongue_smilie:

Any suggestions? Try Gombrich's http://www.amazon.com/Little-History-World-E-Gombrich/dp/030014332X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242952210&sr=1-2
We read this for a month or so at the end of our first four year history cycle as outlined in TWTM. It is a gentle yet thorough presentation with beautiful writing. Another favorite is Van loon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Willem_van_Loon For a high school age student you must give Cahill a try We are using his books on the Jewish people and the Greeks having loved his history of Ireland and the Middle Ages. FWIW he is completely catholic in the finest sense. http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Thomas+Cahill&source=an&ei=-vIVSqmRBtfelQfqkcDqCw&sa=X&oi=book_group&ct=title&cad=author-navigational&resnum=4 These are my tried and true authors for your purposes. I hope one of these will suit your dd.

[4wildberrys]

I don't have any experience with it, but RC History (http://www.rchistory.com/cwh_overview.htm)looks interesting. It's a Catholic, chronological, multiple-level history and literature program. The first volume covers ancient history and literature. You get teacher pages (http://www.rchistory.com/Consider.pdf)with discussion questions, overview (http://www.rchistory.com/Overview.pdf) pages for historical context, reading plans (http://www.rchistory.com/Explore.pdf) for all three stages (grammar, logic, rhetoric), so you could bounce around between them. They also offer discussion guides (http://www.stgeorgebooks.com/booklist.cfm?SID=967) with lit analysis, (rhetoric level example) and ideas for writing and hands-on projects (http://www.rchistory.com/Notebook.pdf). They classify grade 9 as logic, btw. Looks like it would be fun :001_smile:. Wish I had another kid to do it with!

~Kathy

Wow! This sounds really interesting!! Thanks!

[NJKelli]

Try Gombrich's http://www.amazon.com/Little-History-World-E-Gombrich/dp/030014332X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242952210&sr=1-2
We read this for a month or so at the end of our first four year history cycle as outlined in TWTM. It is a gentle yet thorough presentation with beautiful writing. Another favorite is Van loon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Willem_van_Loon For a high school age student you must give Cahill a try We are using his books on the Jewish people and the Greeks having loved his history of Ireland and the Middle Ages. FWIW he is completely catholic in the finest sense. http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Thomas+Cahill&source=an&ei=-vIVSqmRBtfelQfqkcDqCw&sa=X&oi=book_group&ct=title&cad=author-navigational&resnum=4 These are my tried and true authors for your purposes. I hope one of these will suit your dd.
Gombrich's book is available at my library! Thank you for the suggestion.

And, I have The Gift of the Jews. I bought it years ago and never opened it. Thanks for the heads-up about Cahill. Now I will definitely have to dust if off!

[NJKelli]

I don't have any experience with it, but RC History (http://www.rchistory.com/cwh_overview.htm)looks interesting. It's a Catholic, chronological, multiple-level history and literature program. The first volume covers ancient history and literature. You get teacher pages (http://www.rchistory.com/Consider.pdf)with discussion questions, overview (http://www.rchistory.com/Overview.pdf) pages for historical context, reading plans (http://www.rchistory.com/Explore.pdf) for all three stages (grammar, logic, rhetoric), so you could bounce around between them. They also offer discussion guides (http://www.stgeorgebooks.com/booklist.cfm?SID=967) with lit analysis, (rhetoric level example) and ideas for writing and hands-on projects (http://www.rchistory.com/Notebook.pdf). They classify grade 9 as logic, btw. Looks like it would be fun :001_smile:. Wish I had another kid to do it with!

~Kathy

I've been looking at RCHistory. I like your idea about bouncing back and forth between the levels because neither seems like a perfect fit: logic seems like cheating for high school and rhetoric seems over dd's head.

When I showed it to dd, she was worried about me having to buy so many books. She asked if she could just use the Bible History which is just one of the spines, the one that she happens to be reading already.:glare: